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    <p>It seems to be way too early to do large volume production, but
      there would be an intermediate solution if there was a 3D print
      shop that could do them on demand, though the enclosure Sam
      suggested might be better for smaller volumes. <br>
    </p>
    <p>- Mitra<br>
    </p>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/9/21 3:18 pm, Code Bus wrote:<br>
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        <div>It is possible now to bring the tooling cost down if the
          job shop is set up to use 3D printed low-run tooling. One can
          print a mold from high temp resin and get between 50 and 150
          parts out of the machine before the mold becomes unworkable.<br>
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        <div>Not saying that's the path which would work well for Mitra,
          but it is something to consider asking the factories that you
          have a relationship with. Making an enclosure could be
          feasible even in low-run production, if there were enough
          interest - and a non-WIP PCB :]<br>
          <br>
          - code<br>
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      <div>Sep 24, 2021, 03:10 by <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:taylorhayis@icloud.com">taylorhayis@icloud.com</a>:<br>
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      <blockquote class="tutanota_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid
        #93A3B8; padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">
        <div>For what it’s worth Mitra, in my day job I develop products
          - often from plastic. I design injection moulded parts, have a
          full CNC machine shop at home including 3d printing, and
          relationships with factories in China and Australia. An
          enclosure like this is about a $10k tool, and no more than
          $0.40 per set (front and back clamshell) with an MOQ of
          2000pcs or so.<br>
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        <div class="">If there was a final footprint / PCBA, making an
          enclosure wouldn’t be a particularly expensive or complex
          endeavour. That assumes someone is going to mass produce these
          however.<br>
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        <div class="">
          <div>If you need something 3D printed or machined moving
            forward however, shoot me a message<br>
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          <div>
            <div><br>
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            <blockquote type="cite" class="">
              <div class="">On 24 Sep 2021, at 11:20 am, Mitra Ardron
                <<a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                  href="mailto:mitra@mitra.biz"
                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext" moz-do-not-send="true">mitra@mitra.biz</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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              <div><br>
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              <div class="">
                <div class="">
                  <p class="">Code<br>
                  </p>
                  <blockquote class="">
                    <p class="">Yes, I meant the one on the video. <br>
                    </p>
                    <p class="">3D printing is a totally fine way of
                      doing an enclosure in low volumes, but is a
                      massive difference in both reality and "cost"
                      between buying something on Alibaba or just via
                      paypal from someone who has built them before, and
                      something only available as a CAD/3D printer file.
                      I've gone through the process of finding a 3D
                      printing shop, and getting something made, with a
                      less than 50% success rate, and a one-off is
                      always more expensive as even a good shop has to
                      allow for the likely cost of getting it wrong the
                      first time.<br>
                    </p>
                    <p class="">One of the advantages disaster.radio
                      potentially has over some of the other solutions
                      its the potential for geek-free setup and install.
                      I can figure it out, but most of the villages
                      around here - who could use a setup like disaster
                      radio - don't have a resident geek, and trying to
                      find a 3D printer to print a one-off certainly
                      puts it in the needs-a-geek bucket.<br>
                    </p>
                    <p class="">The enclosure Sam suggests sounds a
                      better candidate, though it needs the panel
                      mounted separately. <br>
                    </p>
                  </blockquote>
                  <p class="">Sam<br>
                  </p>
                  <blockquote class="">
                    <p class="">I'll try that enclosure you suggest -
                      its a good price. But I'm wondering, have you
                      tried using one of them with the other parts in
                      that part list? How did you handle mounting to and
                      getting the aerial out, Are those connectors the
                      right size for that, without looking in detail at
                      the components I'm guessing it would want the
                      small connectors for the solar panel cable but its
                      unclear if the 4-8 or 9-12 connector would be best
                      for the antenna proposed - I think the smaller
                      (the antenna says 8mm) <br>
                    </p>
                  </blockquote>
                  <p class=""><br>
                  </p>
                  <div>On 24/9/21 7:10 am, Code Bus wrote:<br>
                  </div>
                  <div><br>
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                    <div class="">
                      <div>What enclosure are you referring to?<br>
                      </div>
                      <div>If you mean the one featured in the video,
                        you're free to make them yourself. The design
                        exists as CAD and in 3d printable formats in the
                        github repository. It is not less "real" simply
                        because it hasn't been mass produced.<br>
                      </div>
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                    <div class="">
                      <div><br>
                      </div>
                      <div>Otherwise, like we've suggested, you can
                        follow the Aliexpress parts list and make a
                        working device, or use any enclosure designed to
                        prevent water ingress.<br>
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                    <div class="">Sep 23, 2021, 20:46 by <a
                        target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                        class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                        href="mailto:mitra@mitra.biz"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">mitra@mitra.biz</a>:<br>
                    </div>
                    <blockquote class="tutanota_quote"
                      style="border-left: 1px solid #93A3B8;
                      padding-left: 10px; margin-left: 5px;">
                      <div class="">Thanks Sam<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">I was looking at the enclosure shown
                        on the image on <a target="_blank"
                          rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="https://disaster.radio/"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">https://disaster.radio/</a>
                        and thought that might have been real :-(<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">- Mitra<br>
                      </div>
                      <div class=""><br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">On 23/9/21 10:30 pm, <a
                          target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="mailto:sam@bristolwireless.net"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">sam@bristolwireless.net</a>
                        wrote:<br>
                      </div>
                      <blockquote class="">
                        <blockquote class="">Can you clarify what the
                          current state is - i.e. if I got the boards,
                          built a pair of units, and flashed it - then
                          would the chat and map apps talk over it.<br>
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                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">Yes that should be possible. You
                          can buy them pre-flashed if you want to miss
                          that step: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener
                            noreferrer" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000396836096.html"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000396836096.html</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">If using the webapp you only get a
                          chat.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">If you use the Android app then
                          you get a chat and a map AFAIK.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote class="">By the way ... I notice
                          there is a bad link to the enclosure on <a
                            target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="https://disaster.radio/build/"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://disaster.radio/build/</a><br>
                        </blockquote>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">Thx started fixing that link here:
                          <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="https://github.com/sudomesh/disaster-radio-website/pull/12"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://github.com/sudomesh/disaster-radio-website/pull/12</a>
                          awaiting someone to approve.<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">This was the enclosure used: <a
                            target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                            class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000452268197.html"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000452268197.html</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">It's fairly obvious how to put it
                          together, but there are some instructions here
                          too: <a target="_blank" rel="noopener
                            noreferrer" class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                            href="https://hackaday.io/project/170069-disaster-radio-lora-mesh"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">https://hackaday.io/project/170069-disaster-radio-lora-mesh</a><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">Thanks<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class="">Sam<br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <div class=""><br>
                        </div>
                        <blockquote class="">
                          <div class="">- Mitra<br>
                          </div>
                          <div class=""><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class=""><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">On 23/9/21 10:49 am, Code Bus
                            wrote:<br>
                          </div>
                          <blockquote class="">
                            <div class="">The project lacks a maintainer
                              with enough time to really give it the
                              care it needs.<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">I've been spending my free
                              time trying to modify the firmware for the
                              v3 dual-module prototype, it is
                              slow-going.<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">Other LoRa boards seem to work
                              pretty well with the firmware in its
                              current state<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">Sep 22, 2021, 20:37 by <a
                                target="_blank" rel="noopener
                                noreferrer"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                href="mailto:mitra@mitra.biz"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">mitra@mitra.biz</a>:<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">   I tried to find out what
                              was happening with Disaster Radio, by<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">   asking here - got zero
                              responses :-( its really hard to figure
                              out<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">   if there is anything going
                              on that is useful to connect with :-(<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">   On 23/9/21 9:48 am, Greg
                              Troxel wrote:<br>
                            </div>
                            <blockquote class="">
                              <div class="">   eM Grzegorz<a
                                  target="_blank" rel="noopener
                                  noreferrer" class=""
                                  href="mailto:emgrzegorz@interia.pl"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><emgrzegorz@interia.pl></a>
                                <a target="_blank" rel="noopener
                                  noreferrer" class=""
                                  href="mailto:emgrzegorz@interia.pl"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true"><mailto:emgrzegorz@interia.pl></a> 
                                writes:<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class=""><br>
                              </div>
                              <blockquote class="">   Hi,active
                                list?Grzegorz<br>
                              </blockquote>
                              <div class="">   Sort of.  When people
                                ask, someone answers.  But not much
                                seems to be<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   happening.  I do have the
                                impression that those on the list wish
                                there'd<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   be more activity, and
                                that most of them sort of hope to
                                contribute.  I<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   of course do not speak
                                for the coalition.<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class=""><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   Perhaps you can tell us
                                why you're interested and what you'd
                                like to see<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   as highest priority.<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class=""><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class=""><br>
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                              <div class="">  
                                _______________________________________________<br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   DisasterRadio mailing
                                list<br>
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                              <div class="">   <a target="_blank"
                                  rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  href="mailto:DisasterRadio@lists.sudoroom.org"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">DisasterRadio@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br>
                              </div>
                              <div class="">   <a target="_blank"
                                  rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                  class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                  href="https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/disasterradio"
                                  moz-do-not-send="true">https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/disasterradio</a><br>
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                            </blockquote>
                            <div class="">   --     Mitra Ardron -<a
                                target="_blank" rel="noopener
                                noreferrer"
                                href="mailto:mitra@mitra.biz"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">mitra@mitra.biz</a> 
                              <a target="_blank" rel="noopener
                                noreferrer" class=""
                                href="http://www.mitra.biz/"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">www.mitra.biz</a>
                              <a target="_blank" rel="noopener
                                noreferrer" class=""
                                href="http://www.mitra.biz/"
                                moz-do-not-send="true"><http://www.mitra.biz></a><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">   +61-491-082-515 mobile;
                              +1-510-423-1767 whatsapp<br>
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                            <div class="">_______________________________________________<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class="">DisasterRadio mailing list<br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><a target="_blank"
                                rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                href="mailto:DisasterRadio@lists.sudoroom.org"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">DisasterRadio@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br>
                            </div>
                            <div class=""><a target="_blank"
                                rel="noopener noreferrer"
                                class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                                href="https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/disasterradio"
                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://sudoroom.org/lists/listinfo/disasterradio</a><br>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
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                          <div class="">-- <br>
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                          <div class="">Mitra Ardron -<a target="_blank"
                              rel="noopener noreferrer"
                              href="mailto:mitra@mitra.biz"
                              class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">mitra@mitra.biz</a> 
                            <a target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                              class="" href="http://www.mitra.biz/"
                              moz-do-not-send="true">www.mitra.biz</a><br>
                          </div>
                          <div class="">+61-491-082-515 mobile;
                            +1-510-423-1767 whatsapp<br>
                          </div>
                        </blockquote>
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                      </blockquote>
                      <div class="">-- <br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">Mitra Ardron - <a target="_blank"
                          rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
                          href="mailto:mitra@mitra.biz"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">mitra@mitra.biz</a> <a
                          target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer"
                          class="" href="http://www.mitra.biz/"
                          moz-do-not-send="true">www.mitra.biz</a><br>
                      </div>
                      <div class="">+61-491-082-515 mobile;
                        +1-510-423-1767 whatsapp<br>
                      </div>
                    </blockquote>
                    <div dir="auto" class=""><br>
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