Just wanted to advertise that I had it as an option.<div><br></div><div>I didn't write any direct control into the bot thus far. But the thing about a bot is that the community could control it. It could, without emotion, act on the IRC policies we program it to know.</div>
<div><br></div><div>-Wolfy<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:44 PM, David Rorex <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drorex@gmail.com" target="_blank">drorex@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
How is the bot any better than using the built in ChanServ features?<br>
And don't you end up with the same problem of deciding who gets to<br>
control the bot?<br>
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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Matthew Meier <<a href="mailto:wolfy@wlfy.it">wolfy@wlfy.it</a>> wrote:<br>
> I've also written an IRC bot in python. super basic that can ops people from<br>
> a list. It works with server messages directly too so i can write it to<br>
> perform any other actions that would be beneficial to our IRC channel and<br>
> policy.<br>
><br>
> Just throwing that out there.<br>
><br>
> -Wolfy<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:20 PM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> OKAY, I've added some more to the conflict resolution item on our agenda<br>
>> tonight: <a href="https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom" target="_blank">https://pad.riseup.net/p/sudoroom</a><br>
>><br>
>> // Matt<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 1:15 PM, rachel lyra hospodar<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> i think this reply is dismissive and it makes me sadfaced.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yardena is talking about much deeper and more insidious, and potentially<br>
>>> divisive, issues than typos or spelling. If you think her concerns are<br>
>>> boring, then you could easily ignore them and stay silent without being<br>
>>> dismissive and rude.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yardena did an awesome job of facilitating meetings for 6 straight hours<br>
>>> last week... it seems to me like anyone who enjoyed that experience with her<br>
>>> might take a moment to give a damn about her concerns.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Multiple folks have suggested it would be good to have a clear IRC<br>
>>> policy. That seems like a good next step. Maybe a wiki page, seeded with<br>
>>> Yardena's suggestion here? I am not active on the channel so am not sure if<br>
>>> it makes sense for me to be too involved in that process...?<br>
>>><br>
>>> R.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 1/30/2013 1:07 PM, Clarence Beeks wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Do you know why America is awesome? We have the time and privilege and<br>
>>>> resources to argue<br>
>>>> over replacing a "Y" with a "J".<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I can't wait for the next comet.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Yardena Cohen <<a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com">yardenack@gmail.com</a><br>
>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com">yardenack@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> >> Apparently the Sudo folk with admin privileges to the #sudoroom<br>
>>>> IRC channel are jealously resistant to sharing control,<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> > This is not the case. Jordana and Tunabananas have operator<br>
>>>> privileges and can perform any sort of moderation they desire. If<br>
>>>> you have an issue with the content of #sudoroom, creating a new<br>
>>>> channel will not solve that problem.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I avoided replying to this right away, because I was too angry and<br>
>>>> creeped out over being called "Jordana." He did this once before in<br>
>>>> the IRC while at the same time talking about me with male pronouns<br>
>>>> (he/his) - he knows better, so I took this as targeted harassment,<br>
>>>> or<br>
>>>> at the very least disingenuous passive aggressive participation in<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> trolling games that have been going on lately. He's apologized to me<br>
>>>> in private since then but I just want to register that joking about<br>
>>>> hackerspace wars can be fun, but actually gaslighting each other is<br>
>>>> NOT fun. It can be scary, intimidating, and seriously compromise the<br>
>>>> accessibility and diversity of our community.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> As to the substance, he's absolutely right that we have op<br>
>>>> privileges,<br>
>>>> but this obscures a few things. For technical background, I<br>
>>>> encourage<br>
>>>> people to read about the difference between +F and +o. Your best<br>
>>>> guide<br>
>>>> will be logging onto freenode and typing: "/msg chanserv help flags"<br>
>>>> but more general guides are online:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Modes" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC#Modes</a><br>
>>>> <a href="https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml" target="_blank">https://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> There've been conflicts over how to run the channel. Namely:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 1) The person with +F has used his privileges to override the<br>
>>>> decisions of those with only +o, at several times unquieting people<br>
>>>> we've quieted. The contexts for these were admittedly controversial<br>
>>>> and fall on ideological fault lines over how to run an IRC channel<br>
>>>> in<br>
>>>> general, so I agree 100% with Andrew that a clear IRC policy is the<br>
>>>> way to go. For the record, this has been mostly about using<br>
>>>> oppressive<br>
>>>> slurs, and my position has been not to tolerate them very much. We<br>
>>>> happen to have in our community a person who makes it his life's<br>
>>>> work<br>
>>>> to push peoples' buttons with slurs, and happened to be doing that<br>
>>>> IN<br>
>>>> the IRC channel. He'd also made a habit of typing anatomical words<br>
>>>> at<br>
>>>> random times. Form your own opinions. Again, the solution to this<br>
>>>> may<br>
>>>> be more about having a clear policy, than who enforces it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2) The person with +F has acted in bad faith. He flooded the channel<br>
>>>> with ascii art of an ejaculating swastika and claimed it was an<br>
>>>> "accident", which would be a no-brainer kban in most any channel.<br>
>>>> When<br>
>>>> asked to share +F with other people, his response was to vandalize<br>
>>>> the<br>
>>>> Sudoroom wiki to say he is the "leader" (<br>
>>>> <a href="http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Community_Structure" target="_blank">http://sudoroom.org/wiki/Community_Structure</a> ). In the meantime, he<br>
>>>> shares +F with a friend of his who hadn't been to Sudoroom since<br>
>>>> summer 2012 and didn't even seem to know anybody's name. They'd also<br>
>>>> set the +S (successor) flag for a person who is emphatically NOT a<br>
>>>> Sudoroom member and has even publically criticized Sudoroom. This<br>
>>>> sent<br>
>>>> a clear message to the rest of us that we were dealing with people<br>
>>>> who<br>
>>>> saw us as a joke; didn't respect our community; and that there was<br>
>>>> little we could do about it in the short term. That mistrust has<br>
>>>> colored all of the talk over IRC privileges since then, and has only<br>
>>>> escalated since these same people came to our 1/16 meeting and made<br>
>>>> it<br>
>>>> significantly longer (by complaining about the meeting being long!),<br>
>>>> and also filled our meeting agenda notes with things like "fuck",<br>
>>>> "poop" and "this is why you guys never hack anything".<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm not bitter or anything, just trying to bring out some of the<br>
>>>> subtext here for those not following why things are happening the<br>
>>>> way<br>
>>>> they are.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I think the best formulation for IRC rules that everyone can agree<br>
>>>> on<br>
>>>> would be something like: we want the IRC channel to accurately<br>
>>>> reflect<br>
>>>> the atmosphere at the physical sudoroom space. To me, that nicely<br>
>>>> encompasses all the many behavioral problems and general do's and<br>
>>>> don'ts. Honestly the room itself has rarely had the kind of problems<br>
>>>> the channel has, because people tend to be a lot more decent to each<br>
>>>> other face to face, and because it self-selects for people who care<br>
>>>> about the community.<br>
>>>> _______________________________________________<br>
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>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>><br>
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>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
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