<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><div>J.D. - do you think there should be an additional statement from Sudo Room? </div><div><br></div><div>Before we proceed any further - does anyone have objections to writing such a letter or signing on to it? What the statement says is another matter for which Sudo member objections should also feel empowered to raise. Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if someone isn't comfortable doing it on the list.<br><br>sent from <a href="http://eddan.com">eddan.com</a></div><div><br>On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Yeah, we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft something and send it on? <div><br></div><div>Part of me is concerned about editing a public statement on a public list...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">J.D. - where were you thinking of publishing this letter? <div><br></div><div>I think it would make for a stronger and more thoughtful response if there was a collective voice signing on to it either as a group or listed as individuals.</div>
<div><br></div><div>With the help of the collective editorial prowess of the Sudo list, do you think you would be ready to publish it before tomorrow morning?</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I think the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a locksmith company without knowing how to pick a lock?</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com" target="_blank">thadwooster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I could be totally wrong on this, but I believe locksmiths are required to be bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.<div>
<div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">WTF #@*)DKLJ </span><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM, where do they think locksmiths learn stuff? Should they have to pay to become a locksmith??? </div>
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So stupid.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting something? If not, I will.</div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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Oakland Police Chief <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Howard Jordan</a> was not pleased.</div>
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"I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a skill to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable."</div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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Lock-pick instructor <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Michael Fitzhugh</a> is a member of TOOOL (The <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Open Organisation Of Lockpickers</a>), a Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking is done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful tool if you lock yourself out of your home.</div>
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Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call a locksmith!"</div><br></div><a href="http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php</a><br>
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Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story. </div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was about to go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global reputation for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose fundamental miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy cost the city millions of dollars.</div>
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