<div><span style="font-size: 12px;">FWIW, the Trib's reporter's email is: </span>martz@bayareanewsgroup.com
</div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;">And no, I don't know him. :-)</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12px;">-C</span></div>
<div><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr">Cyrus Farivar<br>"suh-ROOS FAR-ih-var"<br><br>Journalist and radio producer | <a href="http://cyrusfarivar.com" target="_blank">cyrusfarivar.com</a> <br>Author, "The Internet of Elsewhere" | <a href="http://internetofelsewhere.com" target="_blank">internetofelsewhere.com</a><br>US: +1 510 394 5485 (m) | Twitter/Skype: cfarivar<br>"Being a good writer is 3% talent, 97% not being distracted by the Internet."<br><a href="mailto:cfarivar@cfarivar.org" target="_blank">cfarivar@cfarivar.org</a><br><br></div></div>
<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Thursday, February 28, 2013 at 9:40 AM, sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org wrote:</p>
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<span><div><div><div>Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can reach the person managing the list at</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</div><div>than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Today's Topics:</div><div><br></div><div> 1. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (J.D. Zamfirescu)</div><div> 2. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anthony Di Franco)</div><div> 3. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)</div><div> 4. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Shawn Lesniak)</div><div> 5. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)</div><div> 6. Membership dues - payment options! (Tommy York)</div><div> 7. Sudo Room Signage (Eddan Katz)</div><div> 8. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren)</div><div> 9. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (rusty lindgren)</div><div> 10. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (hep)</div><div> 11. Re: FUD around Lockpicking class (Anon195714)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 1</div><div>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:31:37 -0800</div><div>From: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: Tommy York <<a href="mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com">tommy.york@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: sudo-discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAO5ydeEuoT1g2+9orFpy+MN-j9smLfDBeSEQysW976AtFCDBCg@mail.gmail.com">CAO5ydeEuoT1g2+9orFpy+MN-j9smLfDBeSEQysW976AtFCDBCg@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div><div><br></div><div>I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked</div><div>locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something</div><div>along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".</div><div><br></div><div>Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve picked</div><div>locks.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <<a href="mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com">tommy.york@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days</div><div>is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last</div><div>year, and not all of them involved window smashes."</div><div><br></div><div>This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved</div><div>window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock</div><div>picking?</div><div><br></div><div>Mencken would be angry.</div><div><br></div><div>- tommy</div><div>-----------------</div><div>Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510</div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>more:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking">http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>It's awesome, free press!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>wrote:</div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"</div><div>I have ever seen.</div><div><br></div><div>Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking</div><div>school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper</div><div>version of that? (see: <a href="http://www.lock411.com/training.html">http://www.lock411.com/training.html</a>).</div><div><br></div><div> Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,</div><div>because it's a waste of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the</div><div>shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but</div><div>picking a Masterlock is "appalling".</div><div><br></div><div>-Rusty</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <<a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are</div><div>learning how to pick locks this weekend.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047">http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047</a></div><div><br></div><div>Here is Oakland Local's response:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really">http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really</a></div><div><br></div><div>Anca</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>-=-=-=-</div><div>Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal</div><div><a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a></div><div>M: (510) 220-6660</div><div><a href="http://techliminal.com">http://techliminal.com</a> | T: @techliminal | F: <a href="http://facebook.com/techliminal">facebook.com/techliminal</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty Lindgren</div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130227/62637b6b/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130227/62637b6b/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 2</div><div>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:50:47 -0800</div><div>From: Anthony Di Franco <<a href="mailto:di.franco@aya.yale.edu">di.franco@aya.yale.edu</a>></div><div>To: "J.D. Zamfirescu" <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: sudo-discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAOJkv1pMmbbOZFzo+wiocODAHBQkADmt3p96gDXHJ_Uz2jOLYw@mail.gmail.com">CAOJkv1pMmbbOZFzo+wiocODAHBQkADmt3p96gDXHJ_Uz2jOLYw@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div><div><br></div><div>If you knew how many different break-in methods the OPD recognizes, you'd</div><div>have an estimate, then.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked</div><div>locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something</div><div>along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".</div><div><br></div><div>Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve</div><div>picked locks.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <<a href="mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com">tommy.york@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days</div><div>is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last</div><div>year, and not all of them involved window smashes."</div><div><br></div><div>This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved</div><div>window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock</div><div>picking?</div><div><br></div><div>Mencken would be angry.</div><div><br></div><div>- tommy</div><div>-----------------</div><div>Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510</div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>more:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking">http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>It's awesome, free press!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <</div><div><a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of "journalism"</div><div>I have ever seen.</div><div><br></div><div>Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking</div><div>school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper</div><div>version of that? (see: <a href="http://www.lock411.com/training.html">http://www.lock411.com/training.html</a>).</div><div><br></div><div> Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,</div><div>because it's a waste of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the</div><div>shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but</div><div>picking a Masterlock is "appalling".</div><div><br></div><div>-Rusty</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <<a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are</div><div>learning how to pick locks this weekend.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047">http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047</a></div><div><br></div><div>Here is Oakland Local's response:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really">http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really</a></div><div><br></div><div>Anca</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>-=-=-=-</div><div>Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal</div><div><a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a></div><div>M: (510) 220-6660</div><div><a href="http://techliminal.com">http://techliminal.com</a> | T: @techliminal | F:</div><div><a href="http://facebook.com/techliminal">facebook.com/techliminal</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty Lindgren</div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130227/48afd37d/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130227/48afd37d/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 3</div><div>Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 23:52:37 -0800</div><div>From: Georgio510 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>To: Tommy York <<a href="mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com">tommy.york@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: sudo-discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:512F0CC5.1010503@sbcglobal.net">512F0CC5.1010503@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Yo's-</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective</div><div>to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say</div><div>Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.</div><div><br></div><div>OK, so a few recent crime anecdotes:</div><div><br></div><div>= A close friend's car window was smashed on the side street while we</div><div>were up at SudoRoom.</div><div>= Another close friend's bike was stolen out of the common area.</div><div>= A neighbor of mine's bike was stolen out of their garage today.</div><div>= The officer who took the stolen bike report (Berkeley PD) said that</div><div>the standard MO these days is for the robber to knock at the door, and</div><div>if no answer, kick the door in. If the resident is away it becomes a</div><div>burglary. If the resident is home, it becomes a home-invasion robbery</div><div>or worse.</div><div>= As another close friend of mine once said, "doors are a convenience</div><div>for people who are polite." A strong lock on a strong door with a weak</div><div>window nearby, is evidence of nothing more or less than a homeowner</div><div>without the ability to imagine how baddies think. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't see any lock-picking going on in any of those. As a method of</div><div>committing crimes, lock-picking is obsolete. </div><div><br></div><div>And I do see an opportunity for some positive outreach to Mayor Quan's</div><div>office, re. the opportunity for having a detective attend the event. </div><div>This would be similar to how Quaker activist groups handled their plans</div><div>for protests, by keeping the relevant LE agencies informed. When I</div><div>lived in New England, I saw this first-hand, and it worked. Protests</div><div>organized by those groups were successful, every time.</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,</div><div>and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open? </div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-02-27-Wed 11:26 PM, Tommy York wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these</div><div>days is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40</div><div>percent last year, and not all of them involved window smashes."</div><div><br></div><div>This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved</div><div>window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled</div><div>lock picking?</div><div><br></div><div>Mencken would be angry.</div><div><br></div><div>- tommy</div><div>-----------------</div><div>Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510</div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">mailto:zamfire@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> more:</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking">http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate</div><div> <mattsenate@gmail.com <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> It's awesome, free press!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren</div><div> <rustylindgren@gmail.com <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of</div><div> "journalism" I have ever seen. </div><div><br></div><div> Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a</div><div> lock-picking school(actually it teaches you way more), and</div><div> that this is just a cheaper version of that? (see:</div><div> <a href="http://www.lock411.com/training.html">http://www.lock411.com/training.html</a>). </div><div><br></div><div> Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled</div><div> lock-picking, because it's a waste of time. </div><div><br></div><div> Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts,</div><div> go to the shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about</div><div> anywhere in Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is</div><div> "appalling". </div><div><br></div><div> -Rusty</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu</div><div> <anca@techliminal.com <<a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">mailto:anca@techliminal.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div> Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that</div><div> people are learning how to pick locks this weekend.</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047">http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047</a></div><div><br></div><div> Here is Oakland Local's response:</div><div><br></div><div> <a href="http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really">http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really</a></div><div><br></div><div> Anca</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> -- </div><div> -=-=-=-</div><div> Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal</div><div> anca@techliminal.com <<a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">mailto:anca@techliminal.com</a>></div><div> M: (510) 220-6660 <tel:%28510%29%20220-6660></div><div> <a href="http://techliminal.com">http://techliminal.com</a> | T: @techliminal | F:</div><div> facebook.com/techliminal <<a href="http://facebook.com/techliminal">http://facebook.com/techliminal</a>></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> -- </div><div> Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div> Rusty Lindgren</div><div> **</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130227/df4f396f/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130227/df4f396f/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 4</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 00:09:43 -0800</div><div>From: Shawn Lesniak <<a href="mailto:moderkaka@gmail.com">moderkaka@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:512F10C7.3040605@gmail.com">512F10C7.3040605@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>Yo's-</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective</div><div>to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say</div><div>Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.</div></div></blockquote><div>...</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,</div><div>and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open? </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom</div><div>events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on</div><div>reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not</div><div>any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a</div><div>class than one of the more privileged class.</div><div><br></div><div>-Shawn</div><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>A non-text attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>Name: signature.asc</div><div>Type: application/pgp-signature</div><div>Size: 946 bytes</div><div>Desc: OpenPGP digital signature</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/04885c74/attachment-0001.pgp">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/04885c74/attachment-0001.pgp</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 5</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 01:13:20 -0800</div><div>From: Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>To: Shawn Lesniak <<a href="mailto:moderkaka@gmail.com">moderkaka@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:512F1FB0.20607@sbcglobal.net">512F1FB0.20607@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Re. Shawn:</div><div><br></div><div>In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law</div><div>enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them</div><div>in doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did. </div><div><br></div><div>What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point</div><div>out that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they</div><div>can send someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. What</div><div>they're going to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool</div><div>mechanical skill. More likely they won't bother, in which case their</div><div>objection can be dismissed as meaningless. </div><div><br></div><div>(BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in</div><div>highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear</div><div>tandem" signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams</div><div>dressed up as something cutting-edge.)</div><div><br></div><div>As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":</div><div>that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't</div><div>police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in</div><div>front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young</div><div>black man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class,"</div><div>about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are</div><div>borderline-homeless. A few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs</div><div>that pay decent wages, would be a good thing. </div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Yo's-</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective</div><div>to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say</div><div>Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.</div></div></blockquote><div>...</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,</div><div>and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open? </div></div></blockquote><div>I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom</div><div>events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on</div><div>reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not</div><div>any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a</div><div>class than one of the more privileged class.</div><div><br></div><div>-Shawn</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/3d7b81cb/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/3d7b81cb/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 6</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 06:31:47 -0800</div><div>From: Tommy York <<a href="mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com">tommy.york@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: sudo-discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: [sudo-discuss] Membership dues - payment options!</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CAMm6+WYjCgxKVFK-yAvNgud36m03=<a href="mailto:Gqxm9LQ7uT-tFhWbf5DiQ@mail.gmail.com">Gqxm9LQ7uT-tFhWbf5DiQ@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div><div><br></div><div>Hey everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Please pay membership dues when you get a chance. I updated the WePay</div><div>campaign page, so you can again donate money / pay membership dues (with a</div><div>new total in the percentage widget covering February actual and projected</div><div>March), and can collect checks whenever you see me. I live two blocks away,</div><div>so I'm more than happy to just run over if I'm not getting anything done.</div><div><br></div><div>At the moment, I'm trying to collect all the payment information, so I can</div><div>develop a member list for February. Paying in advance for March is always</div><div>nice too.</div><div><br></div><div>I think we'll be starting a sudo-fund - another, separate sub-listserv -</div><div>soon, which will discuss ideas for funding Sudoroom. Projects, processes,</div><div>the like.</div><div><br></div><div>Unrelated, a DJ'd set by one of the founders of Throbbing Gristle:</div><div><a href="https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-15-2">https://soundcloud.com/ninja-tune/solid-steel-radio-show-15-2</a></div><div><br></div><div>- Tommy</div><div>-----------------</div><div>Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510</div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork</a></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/1df2a649/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/1df2a649/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 7</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:13:03 -0800</div><div>From: Eddan Katz <<a href="mailto:eddan@clear.net">eddan@clear.net</a>></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:artmurmur@lists.sudoroom.org">artmurmur@lists.sudoroom.org</a>, sudo-discuss</div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: [sudo-discuss] Sudo Room Signage</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:D5F4EB2F-20C8-4197-A941-33AD909CB69B@clear.net">D5F4EB2F-20C8-4197-A941-33AD909CB69B@clear.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii</div><div><br></div><div>We should put up signage for Sudo Room on the Broadway side of the building. </div><div><br></div><div>We've already asked George about whether it would be OK to put it on the arched awning above the 2141 Broadway door and have the go ahead. </div><div><br></div><div>Apparently, if we use the same white on blue format, there are no additional costs. Other colored designs would require Sudo room being registered with the city & have to take part in paying for insurance for the building (albeit proportional).</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone have the tools necessary to make the stencil? Anyone up for painting over the stencil in the bear future? In fact, if it's trivial to do - might make sense to try and get it done by Art Murmur tomorrow night.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>sent from <a href="http://eddan.com">eddan.com</a></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 8</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:28:30 -0800</div><div>From: rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: Anthony Di Franco <<a href="mailto:di.franco@aya.yale.edu">di.franco@aya.yale.edu</a>></div><div>Cc: sudo-discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CADf_g6nFRBP0MqmYT1=<a href="mailto:ncioPrGtBSX-VDu0gR+oJywPj0KGCQA@mail.gmail.com">ncioPrGtBSX-VDu0gR+oJywPj0KGCQA@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"</div><div><br></div><div>Actually, based on their argument it isn't logical at all, because they</div><div>don't promote gun education as a bad thing. If they are going to promote</div><div>this as bad. How many murders involved skilled gun use?</div><div><br></div><div>It's totally morally inconsistent, and also is something legal you can do</div><div>at a professional trade school. Tool teaches a trade and by the logic of</div><div>threat, it's self-defense(i.e. lock-pick forensics, getting better locks,</div><div>knowing what to look for and all).</div><div><br></div><div>I honestly can't think of anything more fraudulent in terms of journalism</div><div>than this.</div><div><br></div><div>-Rusty</div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:50 PM, Anthony Di Franco</div><div><<a href="mailto:di.franco@aya.yale.edu">di.franco@aya.yale.edu</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>If you knew how many different break-in methods the OPD recognizes, you'd</div><div>have an estimate, then.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:31 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I called the OPD today to get stats on how many break-ins involve picked</div><div>locks. The woman I spoke with was entirely unhelpful, saying something</div><div>along the lines of "all break-in methods are comparably common".</div><div><br></div><div>Google searches suggest that ~5-10% of burglaries nationally involve</div><div>picked locks.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:26 PM, Tommy York <<a href="mailto:tommy.york@gmail.com">tommy.york@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>"OAKLAND -- One skill that appears all too common in Oakland these days</div><div>is the ability to pick a lock. Burglaries jumped more than 40 percent last</div><div>year, and not all of them involved window smashes."</div><div><br></div><div>This is a horrific excuse for journalism. Not all burglaries involved</div><div>window smashes? Oh really? And in that case, how many involved skilled lock</div><div>picking?</div><div><br></div><div>Mencken would be angry.</div><div><br></div><div>- tommy</div><div>-----------------</div><div>Thomas Riley York (???) 510.926.0510</div><div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork">http://www.linkedin.com/in/tommyyork</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <<a href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>more:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking">http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM, Matthew Senate <<a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>It's awesome, free press!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <</div><div><a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Oh dear gawd. This is possibly the most moronic piece of</div><div>"journalism" I have ever seen.</div><div><br></div><div>Are they unaware of the fact that you can go to a lock-picking</div><div>school(actually it teaches you way more), and that this is just a cheaper</div><div>version of that? (see: <a href="http://www.lock411.com/training.html">http://www.lock411.com/training.html</a>).</div><div><br></div><div> Also, virtually no crime in Oakland involves skilled lock-picking,</div><div>because it's a waste of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Don't worry though, you can train in deadly martial arts, go to the</div><div>shooting range, and buy ninja swords just about anywhere in Oakland, but</div><div>picking a Masterlock is "appalling".</div><div><br></div><div>-Rusty</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca Mosoiu <<a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Heads up. Looks like some folks aren't too happy that people are</div><div>learning how to pick locks this weekend.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047">http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/local/east_bay&id=9010047</a></div><div><br></div><div>Here is Oakland Local's response:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really">http://m.oaklandlocal.com/article/oaklands-mayor-quan-apologizes-mentioning-weekend-lockpicking-class-really</a></div><div><br></div><div>Anca</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>-=-=-=-</div><div>Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal</div><div><a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a></div><div>M: (510) 220-6660</div><div><a href="http://techliminal.com">http://techliminal.com</a> | T: @techliminal | F:</div><div><a href="http://facebook.com/techliminal">facebook.com/techliminal</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty Lindgren</div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty Lindgren</div><div>**</div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/ac3e5722/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/ac3e5722/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 9</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:30:21 -0800</div><div>From: rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CADf_g6=wUHYVTq1=-YB4ojMTdKm=+Ywy0=<a href="mailto:KMAbsaK_oL+d83QA@mail.gmail.com">KMAbsaK_oL+d83QA@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>+1 for both of you... This is a skilled trade. The police don't show up at</div><div>lock-smith schools. Just relabel the training skilled trade workshops.</div><div> Done.</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">georgio510@sbcglobal.net</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>Re. Shawn:</div><div><br></div><div>In no way am I suggesting that we start "working with the city or law</div><div>enforcement officers on reporting who shows up at events or assist them in</div><div>doing so," any more than the radical Quakers did.</div><div><br></div><div>What I _am_ advocating is to open the lines of communication and point out</div><div>that if the city is truly concerned about badguys showing up, they can send</div><div>someone along to hang out and observe for themselves. What they're going</div><div>to see is a room full of geeks learning an oldschool mechanical skill.</div><div>More likely they won't bother, in which case their objection can be</div><div>dismissed as meaningless.</div><div><br></div><div>(BTW, I've known how to pick locks since my naughty phone phreak days in</div><div>highschool, when the word "tweet" was slang for the 2600-Hz "clear tandem"</div><div>signal, not a friggin' commercial brand for neo-telegrams dressed up as</div><div>something cutting-edge.)</div><div><br></div><div>As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":</div><div>that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't</div><div>police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in</div><div>front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black</div><div>man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3</div><div>of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A</div><div>few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would</div><div>be a good thing.</div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-02-28-Thu 12:09 AM, Shawn Lesniak wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>On 2013-02-27 23:52, Anon195714 wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> Yo's-</div><div><br></div><div>On the other hand, the Mayor could send along a plain-clothes detective</div><div>to hang out and keep an eye open for known gang members etc. "Just say</div><div>Honeypot!", and we're doing the city a favor.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> ...</div><div><br></div><div> Does anyone here have good relations with anyone in Oakland city gov,</div><div>and want to volunteer to get the lines of communication open?</div><div><br></div><div> I would be uncomfortable showing up at this event or other sudoroom</div><div>events if we were working with the city or law enforcement officers on</div><div>reporting who shows up at events or assist them in doing so. It is not</div><div>any more illegal/immoral/wrong for a 'known gang member' to show up at a</div><div>class than one of the more privileged class.</div><div><br></div><div>-Shawn</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing <a href="mailto:listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp">listsudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.orghttp</a>://<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty Lindgren</div><div>**</div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/2777b50a/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/2777b50a/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 10</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 08:35:27 -0800</div><div>From: hep <<a href="mailto:dis@gruntle.org">dis@gruntle.org</a>></div><div>To: Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAFa6jsfKP7Hhk9xHZGm5q8T4SdTDLZWWvQEjf6tt0FkYaxU_tA@mail.gmail.com">CAFa6jsfKP7Hhk9xHZGm5q8T4SdTDLZWWvQEjf6tt0FkYaxU_tA@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged class":</div><div>that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in Oakland isn't</div><div>police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the outraged protests in</div><div>front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't an abstraction: a young black</div><div>man I knew was killed in a drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3</div><div>of SudoRoom members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A</div><div>few more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages, would</div><div>be a good thing.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist, classist, and</div><div>privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right here.</div><div><br></div><div>-hep</div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/236c18df/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/236c18df/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 11</div><div>Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 09:40:37 -0800</div><div>From: Georgio510 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>To: hep <<a href="mailto:dis@gruntle.org">dis@gruntle.org</a>></div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] FUD around Lockpicking class</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:512F9695.4040902@sbcglobal.net">512F9695.4040902@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Re. Hep:</div><div><br></div><div>Rather than just sling a sentence-full of unsupported ad-hominems (clue:</div><div>ad-homs = you lose), how'bout unpacking that nonsense and spelling it out? </div><div><br></div><div>Assertion: gang violence kills more young black men than police do. </div><div>That's an assertion of fact. If you don't like it, you're welcome to</div><div>try to disprove it. Go get some numbers.</div><div><br></div><div>Question: where are the protests over gang violence? The question</div><div>stands. Show us a mass protest at a known gang house after a</div><div>particularly egregious shooting. </div><div><br></div><div>A young black guy I knew was killed in a drive-by. Ever hear of Tupac</div><div>Shakur? I was one of his 2nd Engs. at Starlight Studios in Richmond. </div><div>He was ferociously brilliant. Murdered at age 25.</div><div><br></div><div>"Privileged": about 1/3 of SudoRoom members are unemployed and many are</div><div>borderline homeless. Admittedly that's a rough estimate. But if you</div><div>don't like my numbers, get some better ones. </div><div><br></div><div>Full-time jobs at decent wages would be a good thing: What don't you</div><div>like about that? Gandhi once said "Western civilization would be a good</div><div>thing." I say worker solidarity would be a good thing. But you can't</div><div>have worker solidarity until people have work. A job at decent wages</div><div>isn't a privilege, it's a human right. And hackers picking up more</div><div>trade-skills is also a good thing.</div><div><br></div><div>Let's take this to private email so we don't digress the list. </div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-02-28-Thu 8:35 AM, hep wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:13 AM, Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> As for comparing "'known gang member'" to "the more privileged</div><div> class": that's postmodern BS. The #1 killer of young black men in</div><div> Oakland isn't police bullets but gang bullets. So where are the</div><div> outraged protests in front of known gang enclaves, eh? This isn't</div><div> an abstraction: a young black man I knew was killed in a</div><div> drive-by. As for "privileged class," about 1/3 of SudoRoom</div><div> members are unemployed, and many are borderline-homeless. A few</div><div> more "privileges," such as full-time jobs that pay decent wages,</div><div> would be a good thing. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>What's up sudoroomers? Hugely concerned about all the racist,</div><div>classist, and privileged BS that was spouted in this paragraph right</div><div>here. </div><div><br></div><div>-hep </div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/f53b3e83/attachment.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130228/f53b3e83/attachment.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>End of sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 4, Issue 206</div><div>********************************************</div></div></div></span>
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