<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>Does anyone have info on how locksmiths are trained and licensed?</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I know there are examples of everyday objects that can be used to pick some locks. The Cap'N Crunch whistle is the most famous, as far as I'm aware. The ability to unlock it with the simple use of a pencap would be information I'd want to have available to me before purchasing a bike lock. Does anyone have other useful examples?</div><div><br><br>sent from <a href="http://eddan.com">eddan.com</a></div><div><br>On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Anca | Tech Liminal <<a href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Here's article from McSweeny's that's interviewing a professional safecracker. Some of these quotes are pretty good:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ken-doyle-safecracker">http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ken-doyle-safecracker</a></div><div><br></div><div>Q: It seems like you could use this knowledge in bad ways if you wanted to.<br>A: Clients often ask, jokingly, whether we learn our trade in prison.<br><br>Technically, the biggest difference between what a burglar does and what I do is that the burglar wants to get in and out quickly and doesn’t care if the safe ever gets used again. I take my time because my objective is opening it with minimal damage so the owner can use it again.<br><br>A criminal safecracker also needs different knowledge and skills, beyond the technical, that I don’t have or need. I don’t need to know how to avoid leaving evidence, circumvent an alarm system, plan a get-away, or fence-stolen goods.</div><div><br></div><div>--</div><div><br></div><div>Anca.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I must have missed
something in the email chain as I am unaware of the Workshop Weekend
letter. Of course, you are right that the two letters should match,
especially in front of the media. I can't help to think, though, that
this is an opportunity to drive home the broader point that neither
curiosity nor association is a crime. <br>
<br>
<br>
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Eddan Katz wrote:
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<div>Seems to me like sticking to correcting the misuse of the word
unconscionable can be respectful to the police chief and informative
about the difference between skills and criminal intent.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow on
Workshop Weekend's letter and support its posture and position.</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel pretty
confident about that. It would be very useful to share a common
understanding in order not to have our purpose misrepresented.</div>
<div><br><br>sent from <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://eddan.com/">eddan.com</a></div>
<div><br>On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div>
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I think a statement is
well and proper. I also think arguing the right to disinterest inquiry
is the proper line.<br>
<br>
To the earlier back and forth about "known gang members" ... one of the
differences between the people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is
simply that to be classified as "known" is to be stripped of your right
to disinterested inquiry. All of your actions having been prejudged as
interested and malicious. <br>
<br>
If the letter is worded right we can make a statement about the lock
picking class and about the direction policing in Oakland has taken. <br>
<br>
<br>
Michael <br>
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Eddan Katz wrote:
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charset=UTF-8"><div>J.D. - do you think there should be an
additional statement from Sudo Room? </div><div><br></div><div>Before we
proceed any further - does anyone have objections to writing such a
letter or signing on to it? What the statement says is another matter
for which Sudo member objections should also feel empowered to raise.
Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if someone
isn't comfortable doing it on the list.<br><br>sent from <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://eddan.com/">eddan.com</a></div><div><br>On
Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Yeah,
we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft something and
send it on? <div><br></div><div>Part of me is concerned about editing a
public statement on a public list...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">J.D. - where were you thinking of
publishing this letter? <div><br></div><div>I think it would make for a
stronger and more thoughtful response if there was a collective voice
signing on to it either as a group or listed as individuals.</div>
<div><br></div><div>With the help of the collective editorial prowess of
the Sudo list, do you think you would be ready to publish it before
tomorrow morning?</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think
the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a locksmith company
without knowing how to pick a lock?</div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com" target="_blank">thadwooster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I could
be totally wrong on this, but I believe locksmiths are required to be
bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.<div>
<div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren
wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">WTF
#@*)DKLJ </span><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br></div><div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM, where do they think
locksmiths learn stuff? Should they have to pay to become a
locksmith??? </div>
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So stupid.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at
4:56 PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
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ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting something?
If not, I will.</div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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...</div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
Oakland Police Chief <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Howard Jordan</a> was not pleased.</div>
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"I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a skill
to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable."</div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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Lock-pick instructor <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Michael Fitzhugh</a> is a member of TOOOL (The <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22" style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none" target="_blank">Open Organisation Of Lockpickers</a>), a
Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and
international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking
is done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful
tool if you lock yourself out of your home.</div>
<div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call
a locksmith!"</div><br></div><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php</a><br>
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Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject
about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story. </div><div style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">
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Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was about to
go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to
reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global
reputation for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose
fundamental miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy
cost the city millions of dollars.</div>
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