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    Hi Eddan-<br>
    <br>
    So was Ace asserting some kind of copyright or other IP control over
    the correlations between the key codes and the locks?   That's
    funny: like copyrighting the names & numbers in the phone
    book;-)<br>
    <br>
    What kind of lawful right would Ace have had to control those
    codes?  I don't see any.<br>
    <br>
    Classic case of "security by obscurity" in the face of the data
    being openly available to anyone who just looks.  That plus Ace not
    having adequate steps in place to verify the identity of people
    asking for duplicate keys ("security by laziness";-).  (As if any
    burglar is going to order keys and wait a week to get them, when
    smashing a window provides instant gratification?)<br>
    <br>
    Meanwhile, it's since been demonstrated that Ace locks and other
    tubular locks of same size, are tremendously easy to pick with a
    tool anyone can make from a Bic pen housing.  <br>
    <br>
    To my mind the main value of learning to pick locks is to become
    more aware of one's own security environment: particularly the
    degree to which we very often depend on crappy locks, and then, with
    the newly-acquired situational awareness about locks, the degree to
    which we very often leave open all manner of other security holes in
    our physical surroundings.  Nothing says "replace your front door
    lock now!" like being able to pick it with two paper clips in less
    than a minute.  And then you look at the big window right next to
    the front door... and the un-shredded bills you put in the recycle
    bin with your name & account numbers all over them... and the
    valuables in the back seat of your car... etc.  <br>
    <br>
    Next is the ability to get into places one has auth to be in: such
    as when one locks oneself out of one's own house or car (or in my
    case, PBX room on client site after hours, blush...).   <br>
    <br>
    Equally is the ability to do likewise for friends (have done that a
    handful of times).<br>
    <br>
    And from that, the generalization to our entire subculture, of the
    degree of security awareness we should have all the time.  <br>
    <br>
    Picking locks is like being able to disassemble, clean, and
    reassemble a firearm: that skill does not make a law-abiding person
    start contemplating committing murders.  But it might make one start
    to think more about personal safety on the streets at night.  <br>
    <br>
    Lastly, I'll fess up to something.  I think it's cool as hell when
    people who ordinarily hack around with software, start hacking
    around with _mechanical_ stuff.  I'm bigtime in favor of people
    learning how to hack around with _mechanical_ stuff.  "Physical
    layer" as new playground.  To this list add your home appliances
    (the ones with motors in 'em) and rotary dial phones, but that's
    another topic for another day. <br>
    <br>
    TTYs-<br>
    <br>
    -G.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-02-28-Thu 10:35 AM, Eddan Katz
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Chicago Lock v. Fanberg is the case I
        was telling you about last night, J.D. - <a
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          href="http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17605115413487325945">http://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=17605115413487325945</a>.<br>
        Author of lock-picking manuals gets sued by the manufacturer of
        the locks. Chicago Lock loses on its trade secret
        misappropriation claim. Here's an excerpt from the facts of the
        case - <br>
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            Victor Fanberg, the son of locksmith Morris Fanberg and a
            locksmith in his own right, has published a number of
            locksmith manuals for conventional locks. Realizing that no
            compilation had been made of tubular lock key codes, in 1975
            Fanberg advertised in a locksmith journal,<span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Locksmith Ledger,</i><span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>requesting that
            individual locksmiths transmit to him serial number-key code
            correlations in their possession in exchange for a copy of a
            complete compilation when finished. A number of locksmiths
            complied, and in late 1976 Fanberg and his father began to
            sell a two-volume publication of tubular lock codes,
            including those of Ace locks, entitled "A-Advanced
            Locksmith's Tubular Lock Codes." In 1976 and 1977 Fanberg
            advertised in the manuals in the<span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Locksmith Ledger</i><span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for $49.95 and
            indicated that it would be supplemented as new correlations
            became known.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>See</i><span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Excerpt at 95-98.
            About 350 manuals had been sold at the time of trial. The
            District Court found that Fanberg "had lost or surrendered
            control over persons who could purchase the books,"<span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>id.</i><span
              class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>at 98, meaning that
            nonlocksmiths could acquire the code manuals.</p>
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            contain correlations which would allow a person equipped
            with a tubular key grinding machine to make duplicate keys
            for any listed Ace lock if the serial number of the lock was
            known. On some models, the serial numbers appear on the
            exterior of the lock face. Thus, Fanberg's manuals would
            make it considerably easier<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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            less expensive) for a person to obtain (legitimately or
            illegitimately) duplicate keys to Ace locks without going
            through the Company's screening process. This is what caused
            consternation to the Company and some of its customers. At
            no time did Fanberg seek, or the Company grant, permission
            to compile and sell the key codes. Nor did the individual
            locksmiths seek authorization from the Company or their
            customers before transmitting their key code data to
            Fanberg.</p>
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        On 2/27/13 11:20 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="ltr">more:
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          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking">http://www.insidebayarea.com/breaking-news/ci_22683660/oakland-mayor-jean-quan-apologizes-promoting-lock-picking</a><br>
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          <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:15 PM,
            Matthew Senate <span dir="ltr"><<a
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            wrote:<br>
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              <div dir="ltr">It's awesome, free press!<br>
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                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at
                      9:40 PM, rusty lindgren <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
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                        <div>Oh dear gawd.  This is possibly the most
                          moronic piece of "journalism" I have ever
                          seen. </div>
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                          Are they unaware of the fact that you can go
                          to a lock-picking school(actually it teaches
                          you way more), and that this is just a cheaper
                          version of that?  (see: <a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="http://www.lock411.com/training.html"
                            target="_blank">http://www.lock411.com/training.html</a>).

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                        <div> Also, virtually no crime in Oakland
                          involves skilled lock-picking, because it's a
                          waste of time.  </div>
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                        <div>Don't worry though, you can train in deadly
                          martial arts, go to the shooting range, and
                          buy ninja swords just about anywhere in
                          Oakland, but picking a Masterlock is
                          "appalling".  </div>
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                        <div>-Rusty<br>
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                          <div>On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Anca
                            Mosoiu <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                              <div>Hi everyone,
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                                <div>Heads up. <span></span>Looks like
                                  some folks aren't too happy that
                                  people are learning how to pick
                                  locks this weekend.</div>
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                                    <div>Anca Mosoiu | Tech Liminal</div>
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