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    Yo Eddan - Famous example for you:<br>
    <br>
    A computer network eng. back east found that the housings of Diebold
    electronic voting machines were "secured" with locks that were
    identical to, and used the same keys as, cheap filing cabinets and
    hotel minibars.  Which he demonstrated on YouTube and then got
    interviewed on TV.  The guy is about my age which means he was
    almost certainly also naughty phone phreak back in the day and
    learned how to pick locks as part of the phone phreak culture (we
    all learned how to pick locks in high school).<br>
    <br>
    So there are three lessons there: One, crappy locks = illusory
    security, two, naughty hackers who know how to pick locks = good for
    security, and three, don't trust electronic voting machines. <br>
    <br>
    I saw the video.  Those locks were disc tumbler locks (notoriously
    easy pickin' to start with), with two or at most three tumblers
    (just downright pathetic).  I could pick one of those with two paper
    clips in about ten seconds.  I'm sure the guy who did the demo could
    too.  <br>
    <br>
    -G.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    ======<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-02-28-Thu 6:54 PM, Eddan Katz
      wrote:<br>
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      <div>Does anyone have info on how locksmiths are trained and
        licensed?</div>
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      <div>Also, I know there are examples of everyday objects that can
        be used to pick some locks. The Cap'N Crunch whistle is the most
        famous, as far as I'm aware. The ability to unlock it with the
        simple use of a pencap would be information I'd want to have
        available to me before purchasing a bike lock. Does anyone have
        other useful examples?</div>
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        sent from <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://eddan.com">eddan.com</a></div>
      <div><br>
        On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Anca | Tech Liminal <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:anca@techliminal.com">anca@techliminal.com</a>>
        wrote:<br>
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        <div>Here's article from McSweeny's that's interviewing a
          professional safecracker.  Some of these quotes are pretty
          good:
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          <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ken-doyle-safecracker">http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ken-doyle-safecracker</a></div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Q: It seems like you could use this knowledge in bad ways
            if you wanted to.<br>
            A: Clients often ask, jokingly, whether we learn our trade
            in prison.<br>
            <br>
            Technically, the biggest difference between what a burglar
            does and what I do is that the burglar wants to get in and
            out quickly and doesn’t care if the safe ever gets used
            again. I take my time because my objective is opening it
            with minimal damage so the owner can use it again.<br>
            <br>
            A criminal safecracker also needs different knowledge and
            skills, beyond the technical, that I don’t have or need. I
            don’t need to know how to avoid leaving evidence, circumvent
            an alarm system, plan a get-away, or fence-stolen goods.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>--</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Anca.</div>
          <div><br>
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          <div><br>
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          <div><br>
            <div>
              <div>On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins wrote:</div>
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                <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I must have missed
                  something in the email chain as I am unaware of the
                  Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you are right that
                  the two letters should match, especially in front of
                  the media. I can't help to think, though, that this is
                  an opportunity to drive home the broader point that
                  neither curiosity nor association is a crime. <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  <br>
                  Eddan Katz wrote:
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                    <div>Seems to me like sticking to correcting the
                      misuse of the word unconscionable can be
                      respectful to the police chief and informative
                      about the difference between skills and criminal
                      intent.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it
                      should follow on Workshop Weekend's letter and
                      support its posture and position.</div>
                    <div><br>
                    </div>
                    <div>There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we
                      can feel pretty confident about that. It would be
                      very useful to share a common understanding in
                      order not to have our purpose misrepresented.</div>
                    <div><br>
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                        href="http://eddan.com/">eddan.com</a></div>
                    <div><br>
                      On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins
                      <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>>

                      wrote:<br>
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                        I think a statement is well and proper. I also
                        think arguing the right to disinterest inquiry
                        is the proper line.<br>
                        <br>
                        To the earlier back and forth about "known gang
                        members" ... one of the differences between the
                        people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is
                        simply that to be classified as "known" is to be
                        stripped of your right to disinterested inquiry.
                        All of your actions having been prejudged as
                        interested and malicious. <br>
                        <br>
                        If the letter is worded right we can make a
                        statement about the lock picking class and about
                        the direction policing in Oakland has taken. <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Michael <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        Eddan Katz wrote:
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                            <div>J.D. - do you think there should be an
                              additional statement from Sudo Room? </div>
                            <div><br>
                            </div>
                            <div>Before we proceed any further - does
                              anyone have objections to writing such a
                              letter or signing on to it? What the
                              statement says is another matter for which
                              Sudo member objections should also feel
                              empowered to raise. Comments can be made
                              anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if
                              someone isn't comfortable doing it on the
                              list.<br>
                              <br>
                              sent from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://eddan.com/">eddan.com</a></div>
                            <div><br>
                              On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D.
                              Zamfirescu" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>


                              wrote:<br>
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                              <div>
                                <div dir="ltr">Yeah, we were hoping to
                                  publish it tonight. Let me try to
                                  draft something and send it on? 
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Part of me is concerned about
                                    editing a public statement on a
                                    public list...</div>
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                                  <br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb
                                    28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <span
                                      dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:eddan@clear.net"
                                        target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
                                    wrote:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">J.D. - where were
                                        you thinking of publishing this
                                        letter? 
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>I think it would make for a
                                          stronger and more thoughtful
                                          response if there was a
                                          collective voice signing on to
                                          it either as a group or listed
                                          as individuals.</div>
                                        <div><br>
                                        </div>
                                        <div>With the help of the
                                          collective editorial prowess
                                          of the Sudo list, do you think
                                          you would be ready to publish
                                          it before tomorrow morning?</div>
                                      </div>
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                                            <br>
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                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at
                                              5:09 PM, Eddan <span
                                                dir="ltr"><<a
                                                  moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">I think
                                                  the question is,
                                                  rather - Can you get
                                                  hired by a locksmith
                                                  company without
                                                  knowing how to pick a
                                                  lock?</div>
                                                <div>
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                                                    <div
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                                                      <br>
                                                      <div
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                                                        On Thu, Feb 28,
                                                        2013 at 5:01 PM,
                                                        <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">thadwooster@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                        wrote:<br>
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                                                          could be
                                                          totally wrong
                                                          on this, but I
                                                          believe
                                                          locksmiths are
                                                          required to be
                                                          bonded,
                                                          fingerprinted
                                                          and licensed.
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div>On Feb
                                                          28, 2013, at
                                                          4:59 PM, rusty
                                                          lindgren
                                                          wrote:</div>
                                                          <br>
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style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">WTF
                                                          #@*)DKLJ </span>
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                                                          style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
                                                          sent an email
                                                          to that newb
                                                          at the
                                                          newspaper...
                                                          UM, where do
                                                          they think
                                                          locksmiths
                                                          learn stuff?
                                                           Should they
                                                          have to pay to
                                                          become a
                                                          locksmith??? </div>
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                                                          So stupid.</div>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <div
                                                          class="gmail_quote">On
                                                          Thu, Feb 28,
                                                          2013 at 4:56
                                                          PM, Marina
                                                          Kukso <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com"
                                                          target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          ftfy!: THIS is
unconscionable.
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                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <div
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                                                          <div>On Thu,
                                                          Feb 28, 2013
                                                          at 4:50 PM,
                                                          Eddan <span
                                                          dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
                                                          wrote:<br>
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                                                          this requires
                                                          a response.
                                                          Has anybody
                                                          started
                                                          drafting
                                                          something? If
                                                          not, I will.</div>
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style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><br>
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                                                          <div
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                                                          Police Chief <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22"
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target="_blank">Howard Jordan</a> was not pleased.</div>
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style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">"I'm
                                                          in shock that
                                                          people would
                                                          provide a
                                                          class to teach
                                                          people a skill
                                                          to violate the
                                                          law," Jordan
                                                          said.
                                                          "It's unconscionable."</div>
                                                          <div
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                                                          <div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Lock-pick
                                                          instructor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22"
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target="_blank">Michael Fitzhugh</a> is a member of TOOOL (The <a
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Open Organisation Of Lockpickers</a>), a
                                                          Netherlands-based
                                                          outfit that
                                                          teaches and
                                                          holds national
                                                          and
                                                          international
                                                          lock-picking
                                                          events
                                                          annually. In
                                                          their world,
                                                          lock picking
                                                          is done for
                                                          sport and
                                                          bragging
                                                          rights. But,
                                                          he says, it's
                                                          also a useful
                                                          tool if you
                                                          lock yourself
                                                          out of
                                                          your home.</div>
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                                                          <div
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                                                          has a more
                                                          conventional
                                                          solution to
                                                          that problem:
                                                          "Call
                                                          a locksmith!"</div>
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                                                          worse than
                                                          Quan, this
                                                          guy's so
                                                          desperate to
                                                          change the
                                                          subject about
                                                          the
                                                          incompetence
                                                          of the OPD in
                                                          news story
                                                          after news
                                                          story. </div>
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                                                          <div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Unconscionable!?!
                                                          This coming
                                                          from a police
                                                          department
                                                          that was about
                                                          to go into an
                                                          unprecedented
                                                          federal
                                                          receivership
                                                          for its
                                                          failure to
                                                          reform; not to
                                                          mention a
                                                          police
                                                          department
                                                          seared with a
                                                          global
                                                          reputation for
                                                          brutality,
                                                          racism, and
                                                          excessive
                                                          means; and
                                                          whose
                                                          fundamental
                                                          miscalculations
                                                          and
                                                          mismanagement
                                                          of the
                                                          response to
                                                          Occupy cost
                                                          the city
                                                          millions of
                                                          dollars.</div>
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