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Yo Eddan - Famous example for you:<br>
<br>
A computer network eng. back east found that the housings of Diebold
electronic voting machines were "secured" with locks that were
identical to, and used the same keys as, cheap filing cabinets and
hotel minibars. Which he demonstrated on YouTube and then got
interviewed on TV. The guy is about my age which means he was
almost certainly also naughty phone phreak back in the day and
learned how to pick locks as part of the phone phreak culture (we
all learned how to pick locks in high school).<br>
<br>
So there are three lessons there: One, crappy locks = illusory
security, two, naughty hackers who know how to pick locks = good for
security, and three, don't trust electronic voting machines. <br>
<br>
I saw the video. Those locks were disc tumbler locks (notoriously
easy pickin' to start with), with two or at most three tumblers
(just downright pathetic). I could pick one of those with two paper
clips in about ten seconds. I'm sure the guy who did the demo could
too. <br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-02-28-Thu 6:54 PM, Eddan Katz
wrote:<br>
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<div>Does anyone have info on how locksmiths are trained and
licensed?</div>
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<div>Also, I know there are examples of everyday objects that can
be used to pick some locks. The Cap'N Crunch whistle is the most
famous, as far as I'm aware. The ability to unlock it with the
simple use of a pencap would be information I'd want to have
available to me before purchasing a bike lock. Does anyone have
other useful examples?</div>
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:46 PM, Anca | Tech Liminal <<a
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wrote:<br>
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<div>Here's article from McSweeny's that's interviewing a
professional safecracker. Some of these quotes are pretty
good:
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<div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ken-doyle-safecracker">http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/ken-doyle-safecracker</a></div>
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<div>Q: It seems like you could use this knowledge in bad ways
if you wanted to.<br>
A: Clients often ask, jokingly, whether we learn our trade
in prison.<br>
<br>
Technically, the biggest difference between what a burglar
does and what I do is that the burglar wants to get in and
out quickly and doesn’t care if the safe ever gets used
again. I take my time because my objective is opening it
with minimal damage so the owner can use it again.<br>
<br>
A criminal safecracker also needs different knowledge and
skills, beyond the technical, that I don’t have or need. I
don’t need to know how to avoid leaving evidence, circumvent
an alarm system, plan a get-away, or fence-stolen goods.</div>
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<div>Anca.</div>
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<div>On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins wrote:</div>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I must have missed
something in the email chain as I am unaware of the
Workshop Weekend letter. Of course, you are right that
the two letters should match, especially in front of
the media. I can't help to think, though, that this is
an opportunity to drive home the broader point that
neither curiosity nor association is a crime. <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eddan Katz wrote:
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<div>Seems to me like sticking to correcting the
misuse of the word unconscionable can be
respectful to the police chief and informative
about the difference between skills and criminal
intent.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it
should follow on Workshop Weekend's letter and
support its posture and position.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we
can feel pretty confident about that. It would be
very useful to share a common understanding in
order not to have our purpose misrepresented.</div>
<div><br>
<br>
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href="http://eddan.com/">eddan.com</a></div>
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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I think a statement is well and proper. I also
think arguing the right to disinterest inquiry
is the proper line.<br>
<br>
To the earlier back and forth about "known gang
members" ... one of the differences between the
people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is
simply that to be classified as "known" is to be
stripped of your right to disinterested inquiry.
All of your actions having been prejudged as
interested and malicious. <br>
<br>
If the letter is worded right we can make a
statement about the lock picking class and about
the direction policing in Oakland has taken. <br>
<br>
<br>
Michael <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eddan Katz wrote:
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<div>J.D. - do you think there should be an
additional statement from Sudo Room? </div>
<div><br>
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<div>Before we proceed any further - does
anyone have objections to writing such a
letter or signing on to it? What the
statement says is another matter for which
Sudo member objections should also feel
empowered to raise. Comments can be made
anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if
someone isn't comfortable doing it on the
list.<br>
<br>
sent from <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eddan.com/">eddan.com</a></div>
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On Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D.
Zamfirescu" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Yeah, we were hoping to
publish it tonight. Let me try to
draft something and send it on?
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<div>Part of me is concerned about
editing a public statement on a
public list...</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb
28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eddan@clear.net"
target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">J.D. - where were
you thinking of publishing this
letter?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think it would make for a
stronger and more thoughtful
response if there was a
collective voice signing on to
it either as a group or listed
as individuals.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With the help of the
collective editorial prowess
of the Sudo list, do you think
you would be ready to publish
it before tomorrow morning?</div>
</div>
<div class="HOEnZb">
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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at
5:09 PM, Eddan <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">I think
the question is,
rather - Can you get
hired by a locksmith
company without
knowing how to pick a
lock?</div>
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<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
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class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 28,
2013 at 5:01 PM,
<span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com"
target="_blank">thadwooster@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div
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could be
totally wrong
on this, but I
believe
locksmiths are
required to be
bonded,
fingerprinted
and licensed.
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Feb
28, 2013, at
4:59 PM, rusty
lindgren
wrote:</div>
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type="cite"><span
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">WTF
#@*)DKLJ </span>
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<div
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
sent an email
to that newb
at the
newspaper...
UM, where do
they think
locksmiths
learn stuff?
Should they
have to pay to
become a
locksmith??? </div>
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style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
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<div
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
So stupid.</div>
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<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Feb 28,
2013 at 4:56
PM, Marina
Kukso <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com"
target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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ftfy!: THIS is
unconscionable.
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<div>On Thu,
Feb 28, 2013
at 4:50 PM,
Eddan <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Now,
this requires
a response.
Has anybody
started
drafting
something? If
not, I will.</div>
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</div>
<div
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<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Oakland
Police Chief <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Howard Jordan</a> was not pleased.</div>
<div
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</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">"I'm
in shock that
people would
provide a
class to teach
people a skill
to violate the
law," Jordan
said.
"It's unconscionable."</div>
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</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Lock-pick
instructor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Michael Fitzhugh</a> is a member of TOOOL (The <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Open Organisation Of Lockpickers</a>), a
Netherlands-based
outfit that
teaches and
holds national
and
international
lock-picking
events
annually. In
their world,
lock picking
is done for
sport and
bragging
rights. But,
he says, it's
also a useful
tool if you
lock yourself
out of
your home.</div>
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<div
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has a more
conventional
solution to
that problem:
"Call
a locksmith!"</div>
<br>
</div>
<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php"
target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Quan-s-wrong-note-on-lock-picking-class-4318130.php</a><br>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Even
worse than
Quan, this
guy's so
desperate to
change the
subject about
the
incompetence
of the OPD in
news story
after news
story. </div>
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</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Unconscionable!?!
This coming
from a police
department
that was about
to go into an
unprecedented
federal
receivership
for its
failure to
reform; not to
mention a
police
department
seared with a
global
reputation for
brutality,
racism, and
excessive
means; and
whose
fundamental
miscalculations
and
mismanagement
of the
response to
Occupy cost
the city
millions of
dollars.</div>
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<font><span>Cheers,</span></font>
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<div>Rusty
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