<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif">Hey, so, flame off for a minute, but, I read Graeber's essay, and it made sense as a reply to Chris Hedges, and I liked Graeber's debt book and several of his essays all, but why, here, should I care whether black block is a group or a tactic? What if it is neither, or other things alternatively or in addition, or different things in different circumstances according to different people with different views, which are more relevant to the question of what is going to go down Friday night and what if anything to do about it?</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif">What is interesting about it, and what is the significance of what is planned for Friday night, and what can we all expect, and what are options with what pros and cons for what we should do Friday night, each and or all?</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 1:05 AM, Anon195714 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Yo's-<br>
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Funny, I've heard the exact same words so many times: "Black Bloc
is a tactic, not a group."<br>
<br>
Remarkable coincidence, that. "A tactic, not a group." A slogan,
not a catechism?<br>
<br>
I suppose the "Tactical Action Committee" is also a tactic, not a
group, eh? When is a committee not a committee? When it's a
tactic, er uh, a slogan! Like the one the RCYB zombies used to
chant, "A slogan! Repeated! Will never be defeated!"<br>
<br>
Then there's this, from their latest PR: "FTP2.0 - FUCK THE POLICE
Take our pigs for a walk. They need the exercise. And it only costs
the city $50K a week!"<br>
<br>
Right, do it for the lulz, because it's so much fun to waste
taxpayers' dollars in times of tight budgets. $50K is a teaching
assistant for a year, or five families' worth of public assistance.<br>
<br>
How'bout Black Bloc come up with their own $50K to piss away? They
can burn it after they burn the flag. That'll show some guts and
conviction, instead of burning other peoples' tax dollars.<br>
<br>
Always easier to piss away someone else's money.<br>
<br>
SOS / SNS: Same Old Shit, Some New Shingle.<br>
<br>
It's not a tactic, it's a tantrum.<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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<div>On 13-03-01-Fri 12:20 AM, Shawn Lesniak
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<p dir="ltr">Sent from my Android<br>
On Feb 28, 2013 11:53 PM, "Anon195714" <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> Yo's-<br>
><br>
> I stayed away from certain protests because it was known
that Black Bloc (who are not black and are not from around the
block) would be stirring up shit. <br>
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<p dir="ltr">Black bloc is a tactic, not a group. Individuals of
many races and many ideologies use the tactic to accomplish a
variety of goals. </p>
<p dir="ltr">> Their tactic boils down to: infiltrate someone
else's protest, then provoke the cops into over-reacting and
hurting innocent protesters, and then try to use the police
over-reaction as an excuse to stir up The Revolution. I call
that "revolution over _someone else's_ dead body," and yeah it's
basically cowardly.<br>
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<p dir="ltr"> The police will do so regardless. Occupy Oakland was
attacked by police before the traffic was used. </p>
<p dir="ltr">> I guarantee, with 100% certainty, that there is
at least one deliberate infiltrator/provocateur in Black Bloc,
whose real goal is to destroy the effectiveness of various
movements & protests in the Bay Area. The rest of 'em, who
do it for the jollies, are basically provocateur scabs, working
for free and thereby undercutting the wages that might otherwise
be paid to professional provocateurs. <br>
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<p dir="ltr">lolwut</p>
<p dir="ltr">> -G.<br>
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> On 13-02-28-Thu 7:41 PM, Andrew wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Understod. I wasn't responding to you posting this,
just the message itself which was probablly the result of a
propaganda campeign by the OPD sent out to bussiness owners.<br>
>><br>
>> I feel like someone has to respond to that stuff
because of how twisted the facts and tone are.<br>
>><br>
>> Thanks,<br>
>> Andrew<br>
>><br>
>> On Feb 28, 2013 6:42 PM, "Jenny Ryan" <<a href="mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com" target="_blank">tunabananas@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Yeah, sorry, didn't mean to incite any fear! Just
passing on the message for transparency so y'all are aware of
the temperature of our landlords. That said, please do remember
to close doors behind you when entering and exiting the
building, *always and especially* if you go out the front
(Broadway-side) door or down the stairs to the side door (the
door to the stairs). Otherwise alarms go off and George calls
and yells at me/sudoers :)<br>
>>> Jenny<br>
>>> <a href="http://jennyryan.net" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://thepyre.org" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a><br>
>>> <a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell
our stories."<br>
>>> -Laurie Anderson<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing
the error of defining it."<br>
>>> -Hannah Arendt<br>
>>><br>
>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."<br>
>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:06 PM, Andrew <<a href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> so many things to say about this. but I really
don't want this to turn into a black-bloc flame war. But, let me
just say if this sounds strangely like a fear tactic and until
reading this you never thought to feel personally threatened by
the mythical black-bloc group.. there's a reason, cause it's
mostly BS. The Oscar Grant riot was a bunch of people without
mask looting stuff... this hasn't happened once during the
occupy movement.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I just hope this doesn't scare anyone away from
being downtown after the 9pm shut down. We don't have a curfew!<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> --Andrew<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Leonid Kozhukh
<<a href="mailto:len@ligertail.com" target="_blank">len@ligertail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> well, the 11pm shut down doesnt seem to
make sense considering this says the party is 7-10pm...<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>><br>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:47 PM, Andrew
<<a href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Or <a href="http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/02/01/18731134.php" target="_blank">http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/02/01/18731134.php</a><br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> On Feb 28, 2013 5:19 PM, "Jenny Ryan"
<<a href="mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com" target="_blank">tunabananas@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Notice from the landlord regarding
tomorrow's First Friday event and new guidelines posted by the
City of Oakland.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> TL;DR: <br>
>>>>>>> -Laurie and George (the landlords)
are asking that meetings disperse by 11pm, and that all doors be
locked.<br>
>>>>>>> -OPD will be setting up a mobile
command post on Telegraph & W Grand<br>
>>>>>>> -No First Friday events allowed
south of W Grand<br>
>>>>>>> -Event ends at 9pm with a moment of
silence<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message
----------<br>
>>>>>>> From: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <<a href="mailto:Lscoop@comcast.net" target="_blank">Lscoop@comcast.net</a>><br>
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 2:17 PM<br>
>>>>>>> Subject: URGENT TO ALL TENANTS!!!
First Friday Tomorrow Night....URGENT....PLEASE READ CAREFULLY<br>
>>>>>>> To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen <<a href="mailto:Lscoop@comcast.net" target="_blank">Lscoop@comcast.net</a>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> <a href="http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/how-the-black-bloc-occupied-oakland/Co" target="_blank">http://www.eastbayexpress.com/oakland/how-the-black-bloc-occupied-oakland/Co</a><br>
>>>>>>> ntent?oid=3036670<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> The flier above (pdf) are
guidelines for tomorrow night's First Friday Event<br>
>>>>>>> in lieu of expected potential
violence from the group listed in the web site<br>
>>>>>>> above. Apparently at sites
(unknown to me) this black bloc group has been<br>
>>>>>>> advocating that people come out en
mass and cause trouble after First Friday<br>
>>>>>>> is over. We are asking that
groups meeting in the building disburse by<br>
>>>>>>> 11pm and that all doors, esp. doors
to Broadway, 22nd Street and the Alley<br>
>>>>>>> behind out of 2135, as well as the
gate into the front entrance of 2135, be<br>
>>>>>>> securely locked by this time.
George will be there at that time to convince<br>
>>>>>>> all to leave the building and he
will secure it.<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Groups or individuals not adhering
to this warning and coming back to the<br>
>>>>>>> building after that time may find
themselves responsible not only for<br>
>>>>>>> damages to their persons but damage
done to the building or others.<br>
>>>>>>> This is a serious issue; even the
Security Ambassadors are being asked to go<br>
>>>>>>> home by midnight for their own
personal safety, and there is no expectation<br>
>>>>>>> that the police will have enough
personnel on the streets should this get<br>
>>>>>>> out of hand.<br>
>>>>>>> Many of you were not there a few
years ago during the (Oscar Grant)<br>
>>>>>>> riots....it was not pretty, and
there WAS damage to our property. Trouble<br>
>>>>>>> is NOT expected early in the
evening. Enjoy yourselves, but try to monitor<br>
>>>>>>> alcohol consumption (your own and
those around you) for the safety of all<br>
>>>>>>> tomorrow evening...and get home
early....and SAFELY!<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>> Laurie & George<br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>><br>
>>>>>>>
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