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Yo's-<br>
<br>
I think Eddan's reasoning is sound and JD's letter hits all the
right points. <br>
<br>
It might be kinda' fun to have lockpicking competitions: <br>
<br>
For example: here's a series of locks from easy to extremely
difficult: how many can each person pick? And, here's a
medium-difficult lock: who can pick it fastest? And, here are ten
locks, you have five minutes to pick as many as you can: who picks
the most locks? <br>
<br>
Make it a sport. Just like sport shooting contests, skeet shooting,
and target shooting at the rifle range. Nothing wrong with that. <br>
<br>
"Lock picks don't burgle houses, people do."<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
<br>
<br>
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=====<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-03-01-Fri 3:23 PM, Eddan wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
cite="mid:CAMvNwqG3CgwUzbPLAg=XkO3MdUHPHxPW=R0K6Haqp6SUdVthXg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">I see it somewhat differently, and think the
Workshop Weekend letter was thoughtful and appropriate, given
the circumstances.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think the letter was most effective in almost completely
narrowing a public debate that quickly spun ridiculously out
of proportion and corrected the gross misrepresentation of the
first stories covering it. It makes a lot of sense in terms of
being sensitive to the particular climate in Oakland right
now, and I didn't get the impression that it was apologetic
about actually holding the workshop. In fact, they(we)'re
going forward with holding it even after the Police Chief
himself came out publicly saying it was wrong in no uncertain
terms and the Mayor officially disassociating herself from the
initiative. To stand stubbornly firm in the context of a fatal
shooting at the last Art Murmur over rhetorical leeway would
likely be seen as insensitive and provocative.
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>All the sincere stuff about building skills and teaching
a way of thinking would get totally lost in the mainstream
media cloud. The editors are unsurprisingly having fun with
the headlines. <i>See</i> SF Weekly - "Mayor Jean Quan
Promotes Lock-Picking Classes, Gives Young Burglars a Chance
to Succeed" [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/02/mayor_jean_quan_offers_lock-pi.php">http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/02/mayor_jean_quan_offers_lock-pi.php</a>]</div>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div style="">It was smart to leave the core explanation of why
this is important to a block-quote by T.O.O.O.L., who teach
the class. I also think it was a smart move to pull back from
selling the kits this time around - no use getting the
education meme sullied by claims of commercial opportunism. It
would be cynical not to concede that selling lock-picking
paraphernalia alongside lock-picking lessons could reasonably
be seen as inappropriate encouragement. It's not about being
right - our ultimate goal is to actually engage with the
community meaningfully, right?</div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
<div style="">All that having been said, I have not hidden my
opinion that Sudo Room should also publish a statement, as the
community hosting the event in our common space. I'm
interested to find out if that sense is shared by others and
even more importantly, legitimately opposed. </div>
<div style=""><br>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:43 AM,
Michael Scroggins <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com" target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">In my opinion, the
letter is overly apologetic. Neither Workshop Weekend nor
SudoRoom has done anything that needs to be apologized
for. Apologizing for the way the workshop was advertised
implies there is something wrong with the holding a public
lock picking workshop, which there is not. I wouldn't cede
the rhetorical high ground on this point. <br>
<br>
I love the TOOL statement. I think it strikes exactly the
right note. If there is to be a SudoRoom statement (does
there need to be?) I think it should be in line with the
TOOL statement. <br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<br>
Michael <br>
</font></span>
<div>
<div class="h5">
<br>
J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">For those interested, Workshop
Weekend (that is, my brother and I) prepared the
following statement on the lockpicking issue. We
fully support Sudo Room having its own statement
on the issue too.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>===========</div>
<div>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">Over
the past two days, Workshop Weekend has
received complaints from concerned citizens of
Oakland about the upcoming "Introduction to
Lockpicking" workshop being offered as part of
Workshop Weekend on March 2, 2013. The
workshop will run as scheduled, but in
response to community concerns, lock-picking
tools will no longer be offered for sale at
the event.</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">As
Oakland residents ourselves, we have felt
Oakland's crime problem, and we appreciate the
community's concerns that offering a
lock-picking workshop appears to encourage
crime and sends the wrong message. We
recognize now that it was insensitive to have
the workshop listed and broadcast in the way
that it was, and we regret doing so.</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">To
provide some background, Workshop Weekend
invited The Open Organization of Lockpickers
(TOOOL) to run a workshop about lock-picking
and lock mechanisms this weekend.</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">Exploring
lock-picking and understanding the limitations
of locks is valuable for everyone who relies
on locks for physical security, and in kids it
can spark an interest in mechanical
engineering and complex systems.</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">We
would also like to share the following note
from TOOOL, the group offering the session:
"We in TOOOL are of course sensitive to the
concern that occasionally surrounds our
lock-themed workshops. We can only hope that
the atmosphere of openness, information
sharing, and strong ethical standards which is
a part of all TOOOL meetings can assuage some
concerns. Knowing about the weaknesses in
certain locks protects the public; it does not
aid criminals. Please visit our website -- <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://toool.us" target="_blank">toool.us</a>
-- for more information."</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">We
hope this note makes things clear to everyone;
our goal is provide an educational and
inclusive experience for everyone in Oakland
who would like to be involved with our events.</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica"><i>Workshop
Weekend is a two-day celebration of hands-on
learning taking place in the heart of
downtown Oakland, bringing together kids and
adults from Oakland as well as the rest of
the Bay Area. The event encourages
exploration of new interests and passions by
offering over 40 workshops in subjects not
typically taught in schools, including
aeroponics, electronics, and 3D printing.
For more information, visit <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://workshopweekend.net"
target="_blank">workshopweekend.net</a></i></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">We
welcome your thoughts and comments at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:feedback@workshopweekend.net"
target="_blank">feedback@workshopweekend.net</a></p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">
<span
style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">===========</span><br>
</p>
<p
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica"><br>
</p>
</div>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at
6:44 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com"
target="_blank">zamfire@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0
0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Michael, you're not missing
anything -- we haven't finished drafting the
workshop weekend statement yet. :) </div>
<div>
<div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28,
2013 at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com"
target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div text="#000000"
bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I must have
missed something in the email
chain as I am unaware of the
Workshop Weekend letter. Of
course, you are right that the two
letters should match, especially
in front of the media. I can't
help to think, though, that this
is an opportunity to drive home
the broader point that neither
curiosity nor association is a
crime. <br>
<div>
<div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eddan Katz wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Seems to me like
sticking to correcting the
misuse of the word
unconscionable can be
respectful to the police
chief and informative
about the difference
between skills and
criminal intent.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If Sudo Room does a
separate statement, it
should follow on Workshop
Weekend's letter and
support its posture and
position.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There'll be TV cameras
there this weekend - we
can feel pretty confident
about that. It would be
very useful to share a
common understanding in
order not to have our
purpose misrepresented.</div>
<div><br>
<br>
sent from <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eddan.com"
target="_blank">eddan.com</a></div>
<div><br>
On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07
PM, Michael Scroggins <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com"
target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
I think a statement is
well and proper. I also
think arguing the right
to disinterest inquiry
is the proper line.<br>
<br>
To the earlier back and
forth about "known gang
members" ... one of the
differences between the
people at SudoRoom and
"known gang members" is
simply that to be
classified as "known" is
to be stripped of your
right to disinterested
inquiry. All of your
actions having been
prejudged as interested
and malicious. <br>
<br>
If the letter is worded
right we can make a
statement about the lock
picking class and about
the direction policing
in Oakland has taken. <br>
<br>
<br>
Michael <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eddan Katz wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>
<div>J.D. - do you
think there should
be an additional
statement from
Sudo Room? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Before we
proceed any
further - does
anyone have
objections to
writing such a
letter or signing
on to it? What the
statement says is
another matter for
which Sudo member
objections should
also feel
empowered to
raise. Comments
can be made
anonymously on the
etherpad or on
IRC, if someone
isn't comfortable
doing it on the
list.<br>
<br>
sent from <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eddan.com" target="_blank">eddan.com</a></div>
<div><br>
On Feb 28, 2013,
at 5:15 PM, "J.D.
Zamfirescu" <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote
type="cite">
<div>
<div dir="ltr">Yeah,
we were hoping
to publish it
tonight. Let
me try to
draft
something and
send it on?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Part of
me is
concerned
about editing
a public
statement on a
public list...</div>
</div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Feb 28,
2013 at 5:14
PM, Eddan <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">J.D.
- where were
you thinking
of publishing
this letter?
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think
it would make
for a stronger
and more
thoughtful
response if
there was a
collective
voice signing
on to it
either as a
group or
listed as
individuals.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>With the
help of the
collective
editorial
prowess of the
Sudo list, do
you think you
would be ready
to publish it
before
tomorrow
morning?</div>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra">
<br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb
28, 2013 at
5:09 PM, Eddan
<span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I
think the
question is,
rather - Can
you get hired
by a locksmith
company
without
knowing how to
pick a lock?</div>
<div>
<div>
<div
class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb
28, 2013 at
5:01 PM, <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com"
target="_blank">thadwooster@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div
style="word-wrap:break-word">I
could be
totally wrong
on this, but I
believe
locksmiths are
required to be
bonded,
fingerprinted
and licensed.
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>On Feb
28, 2013, at
4:59 PM, rusty
lindgren
wrote:</div>
<br>
<blockquote
type="cite"><span
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">WTF
#@*)DKLJ </span>
<div
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
<br>
</div>
<div
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I
sent an email
to that newb
at the
newspaper...
UM, where do
they think
locksmiths
learn stuff?
Should they
have to pay to
become a
locksmith??? </div>
<div
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br>
</div>
<div
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">
So stupid.</div>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Thu, Feb 28,
2013 at 4:56
PM, Marina
Kukso <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com"
target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
ftfy!: THIS is
unconscionable.
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Thu,
Feb 28, 2013
at 4:50 PM,
Eddan <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote
class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0
0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Now,
this requires
a response.
Has anybody
started
drafting
something? If
not, I will.</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><br>
</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">...</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Oakland
Police Chief <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Howard Jordan</a> was not pleased.</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><br>
</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">"I'm
in shock that
people would
provide a
class to teach
people a skill
to violate the
law," Jordan
said.
"It's unconscionable."</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px"><br>
</div>
<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Lock-pick
instructor <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Michael+Fitzhugh%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Michael Fitzhugh</a> is a member of TOOOL (The <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Open+Organisation+Of+Lockpickers%22"
style="margin:0px;padding:0px;border:0px;font-style:inherit;font-family:inherit;vertical-align:baseline;color:rgb(1,86,96);text-decoration:none"
target="_blank">Open Organisation Of Lockpickers</a>), a
Netherlands-based
outfit that
teaches and
holds national
and
international
lock-picking
events
annually. In
their world,
lock picking
is done for
sport and
bragging
rights. But,
he says, it's
also a useful
tool if you
lock yourself
out of
your home.</div>
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<div
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has a more
conventional
solution to
that problem:
"Call
a locksmith!"</div>
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<div
style="vertical-align:baseline;line-height:19px;font-size:13px;font-family:Verdana,sans-serif;margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;outline-style:none;outline-width:0px;outline-color:initial;border-top-width:0px;border-right-width:0px;border-bottom-width:0px;border-left-width:0px;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-color:initial;padding-top:0px;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:0px;padding-left:0px">Even
worse than
Quan, this
guy's so
desperate to
change the
subject about
the
incompetence
of the OPD in
news story
after news
story. </div>
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This coming
from a police
department
that was about
to go into an
unprecedented
federal
receivership
for its
failure to
reform; not to
mention a
police
department
seared with a
global
reputation for
brutality,
racism, and
excessive
means; and
whose
fundamental
miscalculations
and
mismanagement
of the
response to
Occupy cost
the city
millions of
dollars.</div>
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