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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">The National Review as 
well: 
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/342003/oakland-mayor-promotes-lock-picking-class-wesley-j-smith">http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/342003/oakland-mayor-promotes-lock-picking-class-wesley-j-smith</a>  
 This sort of story is ideal for playing around with, which is how 
things go. And it is kind of a dream story for an editor.  <br>
<br>
I agree with suspending the sale of the tools to cut the 
education/commerce link, and with the vast majority of the letter. My 
concern is this sentence: <br>
<br>
"<span>We recognize now that it was insensitive to have the workshop 
listed and
 broadcast in the way that it was, and we regret doing so."<br>
  <br>
The sentence implicitly draws a difference of kind between the lock 
picking class and the other Workshop Weekend classes. Doing so invites 
the question: What is the difference that makes broadcasting this 
workshop (in the way it was) regrettable?  In an environment where the 
mayor, the chief of police and the media have all given the same answer -
 the class breeds criminals - allowing that question is regrettable.<br>
  <br>
The TOOL statement doesn't allow the question to be considered, which is
 why I like it.  I feel the SudoRoom statement shouldn't either and 
should emphasis that all Sudo classes are offered in the spirit of 
curiosity, which is a public good.  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
Michael <br>
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
  <br>
</span><br>
Eddan wrote:
<blockquote 
cite="mid:CAMvNwqG3CgwUzbPLAg=XkO3MdUHPHxPW=R0K6Haqp6SUdVthXg@mail.gmail.com"
 type="cite">
  <div dir="ltr">I see it somewhat differently, and think the Workshop 
Weekend letter was thoughtful and appropriate, given the circumstances. <div><br></div><div>I
 think the letter was most effective in almost completely narrowing a 
public debate that quickly spun ridiculously out of proportion and 
corrected the gross misrepresentation of the first stories covering it. 
It makes a lot of sense in terms of being sensitive to the particular 
climate in Oakland right now, and I didn't get the impression that it 
was apologetic about actually holding the workshop. In fact, they(we)'re
 going forward with holding it even after the Police Chief himself came 
out publicly saying it was wrong in no uncertain terms and the Mayor 
officially disassociating herself from the initiative. To stand 
stubbornly firm in the context of a fatal shooting at the last Art 
Murmur over rhetorical leeway would likely be seen as insensitive and 
provocative. <div>
<br></div><div>All the sincere stuff about building skills and teaching a
 way of thinking would get totally lost in the mainstream media cloud. 
The editors are unsurprisingly having fun with the headlines. <i>See</i>
 SF Weekly - "Mayor Jean Quan Promotes Lock-Picking Classes, Gives Young
 Burglars a Chance to Succeed" [<a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/02/mayor_jean_quan_offers_lock-pi.php">http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2013/02/mayor_jean_quan_offers_lock-pi.php</a>]</div>
</div><div><br></div><div style="">It was smart to leave the core 
explanation of why this is important to a block-quote by T.O.O.O.L., who
 teach the class. I also think it was a smart move to pull back from 
selling the kits this time around - no use getting the education meme 
sullied by claims of commercial opportunism. It would be cynical not to 
concede that selling lock-picking paraphernalia alongside lock-picking 
lessons could reasonably be seen as inappropriate encouragement. It's 
not about being right - our ultimate goal is to actually engage with the
 community meaningfully, right?</div>
<div style=""><br></div><div style=""><br></div><div style="">All that 
having been said, I have not hidden my opinion that Sudo Room should 
also publish a statement, as the community hosting the event in our 
common space. I'm interested to find out if that sense is shared by 
others and even more importantly, legitimately opposed. </div>
<div style=""><br></div></div>
  <div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 
1, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michael Scroggins <span dir="ltr"><<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com" 
target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">In 
my opinion, the letter 
is overly apologetic. Neither Workshop Weekend nor SudoRoom has done 
anything that needs to be apologized for.  Apologizing for the way the 
workshop was advertised implies there is something wrong with the 
holding a public lock picking workshop, which there is not. I wouldn't 
cede the rhetorical high ground on this point.  <br>
<br>
I love the TOOL statement. I think it strikes exactly the right note. If
 there is to be a SudoRoom statement (does there need to be?) I think it
 should be in line with the TOOL statement. <br><span class="HOEnZb"><font
 color="#888888">
<br>
Michael <br></font></span><div><div class="h5">
<br>
J.D. Zamfirescu wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">For those interested, Workshop 
Weekend (that is, my 
brother and I) prepared the following statement on the lockpicking 
issue. We fully support Sudo Room having its own statement on the issue 
too.<div><br></div>

<div>===========</div><div><p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">Over the past 
two days, Workshop Weekend has received complaints from concerned 
citizens of Oakland about the upcoming "Introduction to Lockpicking" 
workshop being offered as part of Workshop Weekend on March 2, 2013. The
 workshop will run as scheduled, but in response to community concerns, 
lock-picking tools will no longer be offered for sale at the event.</p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">As Oakland 
residents ourselves, we have felt Oakland's crime problem, and we 
appreciate the community's concerns that offering a lock-picking 
workshop appears to encourage crime and sends the wrong message. We 
recognize now that it was insensitive to have the workshop listed and 
broadcast in the way that it was, and we regret doing so.</p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">To provide 
some background, Workshop Weekend invited The Open Organization of 
Lockpickers (TOOOL) to run a workshop about lock-picking and lock 
mechanisms this weekend.</p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">Exploring 
lock-picking and understanding the limitations of locks is valuable for 
everyone who relies on locks for physical security, and in kids it can 
spark an interest in mechanical engineering and complex systems.</p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">We would also
 like to share the following note from TOOOL, the group offering the 
session: "We in TOOOL are of course sensitive to the concern that 
occasionally surrounds our lock-themed workshops. We can only hope that 
the atmosphere of openness, information sharing, and strong ethical 
standards which is a part of all TOOOL meetings can assuage some 
concerns. Knowing about the weaknesses in certain locks protects the 
public; it does not aid criminals. Please visit our website -- <a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://toool.us" target="_blank">toool.us</a>
 -- for more 
information."</p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">We hope this 
note makes things clear to everyone; our goal is provide an educational 
and inclusive experience for everyone in Oakland who would like to be 
involved with our events.</p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica"><i>Workshop 
Weekend is a two-day celebration of hands-on learning taking place in 
the heart of downtown Oakland, bringing together kids and adults from 
Oakland as well as the rest of the Bay Area. The event encourages 
exploration of new interests and passions by offering over 40 workshops 
in subjects not typically taught in schools, including aeroponics, 
electronics, and 3D printing. For more information, visit <a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://workshopweekend.net" target="_blank">workshopweekend.net</a></i></p>


<p 
style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica;min-height:14px"><br></p>
<p style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">We welcome 
your thoughts and comments at <a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="mailto:feedback@workshopweekend.net" target="_blank">feedback@workshopweekend.net</a></p><p
 style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica">

<span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small">===========</span><br></p><p
 style="margin:0px;font-size:12px;font-family:Helvetica"><br></p></div></div>
  <div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 
28, 2013 at 6:44 PM, J.D. Zamfirescu <span dir="ltr"><<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">zamfire@gmail.com</a>></span>
 wrote:<br>

<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Michael, you're not missing
 anything -- we haven't finished drafting the workshop weekend statement
 yet. :) </div>

<div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 
Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Michael Scroggins <span dir="ltr"><<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com" 
target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>></span>
 wrote:<br>


<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF">I 
must have missed 
something in the email chain as I am unaware of the Workshop Weekend 
letter. Of course, you are right that the two letters should match, 
especially in front of the media. I can't help to think, though, that 
this is an opportunity to drive home the broader point that neither 
curiosity nor association is a crime. <br><div><div>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eddan Katz wrote:
<blockquote type="cite"><div>Seems to me like sticking to correcting the
 misuse of the word 
unconscionable can be respectful to the police chief and informative 
about the difference between skills and criminal intent.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>If Sudo Room does a separate statement, it should follow on 
Workshop Weekend's letter and support its posture and position.</div>
  <div><br></div>
  <div>There'll be TV cameras there this weekend - we can feel pretty 
confident about that. It would be very useful to share a common 
understanding in order not to have our purpose misrepresented.</div>
  <div><br><br>sent from <a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="http://eddan.com" target="_blank">eddan.com</a></div>
  <div><br>On Feb 28, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Michael Scroggins <<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:michaeljscroggins@gmail.com" 
target="_blank">michaeljscroggins@gmail.com</a>>
 wrote:<br><br></div>
  <blockquote type="cite"><div>

I think a statement is 
well and proper. I also think arguing the right to disinterest inquiry 
is the proper line.<br>
<br>
To the earlier back and forth about "known gang members" ... one of the 
differences between the people at SudoRoom and "known gang members" is 
simply that to be classified as "known" is to be stripped of your right 
to disinterested inquiry. All of your actions having been prejudged as 
interested and malicious. <br>
<br>
If the letter is worded right we can make a statement about the lock 
picking class and about the direction policing in Oakland has taken. <br>
<br>
<br>
Michael <br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Eddan Katz wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">
  <div><div>J.D. - do you think there should be an 
additional statement from Sudo Room? </div><div><br></div><div>Before we
 proceed any further - does anyone have objections to writing such a 
letter or signing on to it? What the statement says is another matter 
for which Sudo member objections should also feel empowered to raise. 
Comments can be made anonymously on the etherpad or on IRC, if someone 
isn't comfortable doing it on the list.<br><br>sent from <a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://eddan.com" target="_blank">eddan.com</a></div><div><br>On



 Feb 28, 2013, at 5:15 PM, "J.D. Zamfirescu" <<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:zamfire@gmail.com" target="_blank">zamfire@gmail.com</a>>



 wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Yeah, 
we were hoping to publish it tonight. Let me try to draft something and 
send it on? <div><br></div><div>Part of me is concerned about editing a 
public statement on a public list...</div></div><div class="gmail_extra">

<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:14 PM, Eddan <span
 dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" 
target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote 
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc 
solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div dir="ltr">J.D. - where were you thinking of
 publishing this letter? <div><br></div><div>I think it would make for a
 stronger and more thoughtful response if there was a collective voice 
signing on to it either as a group or listed as individuals.</div>


<div><br></div><div>With the help of the collective editorial prowess of
 the Sudo list, do you think you would be ready to publish it before 
tomorrow morning?</div></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra">

<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Eddan <span dir="ltr"><<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I think
 the question is, rather - Can you get hired by a locksmith company 
without knowing how to pick a lock?</div><div><div><div 
class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 5:01 PM,  <span dir="ltr"><<a 
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:thadwooster@gmail.com" 
target="_blank">thadwooster@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">I could 
be totally wrong on this, but I believe locksmiths are required to be 
bonded, fingerprinted and licensed.<div>



<div><div><br><div><div>On Feb 28, 2013, at 4:59 PM, rusty lindgren 
wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span 
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">WTF 
#@*)DKLJ </span><div 
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">





<br></div><div 
style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">I 
sent an email to that newb at the newspaper... UM, where do they think 
locksmiths learn stuff?  Should they have to pay to become a 
locksmith??? </div>





<div style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><br></div><div
 style="font-size:13.333333969116211px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">

So stupid.</div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 
4:56 PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span>
 wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





ftfy!: THIS is unconscionable.<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div
 class="gmail_quote"><div>On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Eddan <span 
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" 
target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>










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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div 
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Now, this requires a response. Has anybody started drafting something? 
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Oakland Police Chief <a moz-do-not-send="true" 
href="http://www.sfgate.com/?controllerName=search&action=search&channel=bayarea&search=1&inlineLink=1&query=%22Howard+Jordan%22"
 
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"I'm in shock that people would provide a class to teach people a skill 
to violate the law," Jordan said. "It's unconscionable."</div><div 
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Lock-pick instructor <a moz-do-not-send="true" 
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 target="_blank">Open Organisation Of Lockpickers</a>), a 
Netherlands-based outfit that teaches and holds national and 
international lock-picking events annually. In their world, lock picking
 is done for sport and bragging rights. But, he says, it's also a useful
 tool if you lock yourself out of your home.</div>



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Jordan has a more conventional solution to that problem: "Call 
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Even worse than Quan, this guy's so desperate to change the subject 
about the incompetence of the OPD in news story after news story. </div><div
 
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Unconscionable!?! This coming from a police department that was about to
 go into an unprecedented federal receivership for its failure to 
reform; not to mention a police department seared with a global 
reputation for brutality, racism, and excessive means; and whose 
fundamental miscalculations and mismanagement of the response to Occupy 
cost the city millions of dollars.</div>







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