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    Yo's-<br>
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    Let's set a meeting time.   Any evening this week that doesn't
    conflict with something else?  Or possibly Wednesday night after the
    general meeting?  <br>
    <br>
    The first meeting doesn't need to be long: "whoever is interested,
    show up," and the main topic would probably be to explore what it
    takes to do this, and if folks are motivated to really do it.  <br>
    <br>
    -G.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-03-02-Sat 7:08 PM, rusty lindgren
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cite="mid:CADf_g6kODReD_1gJSHbTNzRJgH7_Uff1Cobc-rDHTt_9Bz36og@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">+1. Agree 100%.  This is a trade not just a hack. <br>
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      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Jehan
        Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span>
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          <div dir="ltr">wow pretty awesome</div>
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                  On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Anon195714 <span
                    dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net"
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                  wrote:<br>
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                      Re. Anthony, re. "how to present this to the
                      community we would seek to serve." <br>
                      <br>
                      Let's not be squeamish about using the word
                      "marketing";-)<br>
                      <br>
                      1)  Use the current publicity on our behalf.  "Why
                      do you think we're teaching this class?  We're
                      planning to put the skills to work starting a
                      security services co-op.  People shouldn't have to
                      pay $200 to get let into their house..."<br>
                      <br>
                      2)  Judging from the Yelp results that Rusty
                      brought in, word-of-mouth from referrals will be
                      priceless.  Imagine seeing this in Yelp:<br>
                      <br>
                      "I was locked out of my house late Friday night. 
                      I called 510-555-SUDO and left a message.  Fifteen
                      minutes later someone texted me "Alice at Sudo
                      here, call my mobile," and her number.  A half
                      hour after I called her back, she shows up,
                      dressed in all-black and riding an electric
                      scooter.  I was starting to get skeptical, but she
                      picked the lock in less than a minute (no damage
                      to the lock), so I was back in my house in less
                      than an hour from when I called.  Best part is
                      they only charge fifty bucks, even nights and
                      weekends.  They're unorthodox but they know what
                      they're doing, and the price is right.  Highly
                      recommended!"<br>
                      <br>
                      3)  Word will spread like a viral meme.  <br>
                      <br>
                      4)  This will also get press coverage _because_ it
                      was already a news story when we did the training
                      sessions this weekend.  "Hello, is this Bob at CBS
                      Radio News?  This is Carlos from Sudo Room. 
                      Remember that story you did on the lock-picking
                      class?  Well, we wanted to do a follow-up with
                      you...."<br>
                      <br>
                      --<br>
                      <br>
                      Seriously: if ever there was an opportunity to a)
                      launch a bunch of right-livelihood jobs, b) get
                      good publicity for SudoRoom, c) get good publicity
                      for the hacker culture, d) shake up the local
                      "establishment" a bit, and e) end up with city
                      officials supporting us as well (if for no other
                      reason, to work off the embarrassment from having
                      done a foot-in-mouth maneuver).... this is
                      definitely it.  <br>
                      <br>
                      But we need to pounce on this one like a cat
                      chasing a laser-pointer.  The faster the better if
                      we want to take advantage of the current
                      news-buzz.<br>
                      <br>
                      -G.<br>
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                          <div>On 13-03-02-Sat 5:26 PM, Anthony Di
                            Franco wrote:<br>
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                            <p>I don't know that I would participate
                              myself but I would love to see this tried
                              and think it would be an interesting and
                              significant experiment in how sudo room
                              might help people make livings.<br>
                              Further thought is needed about how to
                              present this to the community we would
                              seek to serve.</p>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 2, 2013 5:18
                              PM, "Anon195714" <<a
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                                Yo's-<br>
                                <br>
                                I should have started a new thread with
                                this to begin with, sorry 'bout<br>
                                posting this twice, but there's some new
                                stuff toward the end:<br>
                                <br>
                                Opportunity for right-livelihood jobs:<br>
                                <br>
                                Sudo Lock Services Co-op.  "Fifty bucks
                                gets you in."  Charge $50 for<br>
                                simple lock picking, no charge if we
                                can't pick it.  "Try us first!"<br>
                                <br>
                                Pretty quickly the income gets
                                sufficient to support keeping a stock of<br>
                                common locks on hand, and drills: so if
                                we can't pick it and have to<br>
                                drill it, we can replace it on the spot
                                with at least something that's<br>
                                sufficient to provide security until we
                                or someone else can come back in<br>
                                to install the original type of lock or
                                better.<br>
                                <br>
                                Over time we can add more services, for
                                example complete assessment of<br>
                                home security, small business security,
                                and naturally, computer<br>
                                security.  At which point change the
                                name to Sudo Security Services<br>
                                Co-op (or use a name like that from the
                                beginning?).  And charge higher<br>
                                rates for businesses and computer
                                security.  The latter can go up into<br>
                                the three-figure hourly rates per
                                person, depending on the project.<br>
                                <br>
                                Many of us are naturally nocturnal, so
                                24/7 service can be offered easily.<br>
                                <br>
                                Many of us around here are also
                                unemployed, under-employed, or<br>
                                borderline homeless.  Billing the client
                                $50 translates to being able to<br>
                                allocate $40 - $45 of that to the member
                                who picks the lock, and $5 -<br>
                                $10 toward the overhead costs of the
                                co-op.  Every additional $40 - $45<br>
                                of income really counts for a lot of
                                folks here.<br>
                                <br>
                                I've already got a job but I'd be
                                willing to help organize this, do<br>
                                basic business planning &
                                spreadsheets, and so on.  If/when Eddan
                                is<br>
                                authorized to practice law in
                                California, he might be interested in<br>
                                doing the legal work to set up the
                                entity.<br>
                                <br>
                                And since SudoRoom has hella' publicity
                                right now, that publicity will<br>
                                go a long way toward starting a
                                marketing buzz that could bring in<br>
                                customers.<br>
                                <br>
                                New stuff:<br>
                                <br>
                                I can build the telephone infrastructure
                                for automatically processing<br>
                                calls from customers to co-op members
                                including overnight calls.  There<br>
                                are lots of folks here who can design
                                & build the computer<br>
                                infrastructure for handling email &
                                text messages from customers to<br>
                                co-op members.<br>
                                <br>
                                The goal here is, someone contacts us by
                                phone, email, or text, the<br>
                                message goes to whoever in the
                                organization is remotely logged-in to<br>
                                work at the moment (via whatever devices
                                they use e.g. laptop, landline,<br>
                                mobile), someone who is geographically
                                near the caller picks up the<br>
                                ticket and scoots off to pick the lock.<br>
                                <br>
                                It would be a hella' cool enhancement if
                                the infrastructure could also<br>
                                use geographic location to find the
                                co-op member who is closest to the<br>
                                customer and available to go to the
                                site.  This could be done with<br>
                                caller ID, zip code, GPS, and/or other
                                methods.  Alternately, we could<br>
                                allocate jobs on a round-robin system,
                                so each person gets a roughly<br>
                                equal number of jobs per month.<br>
                                <br>
                                The invoice & payment system will
                                need to handle multiple options: cash,<br>
                                checks, credit cards, electronic payment
                                systems (PayPal, WePay, etc.),<br>
                                and even paper invoices that the
                                customer signs when they make payment<br>
                                (that can be entered into the online
                                system the next day).<br>
                                <br>
                                Transportation to job sites: some folks
                                here use bicycles, scooters,<br>
                                motorcycles: make that a marketing
                                point, that our overall carbon<br>
                                footprint is low.  "Your Sudo Services
                                Co-Op locksmith may be showing up<br>
                                on a bicycle..."  This also converges
                                with the "geeky / hackerish /<br>
                                unorthodox" image and marketing
                                approach, so it works in our favor.<br>
                                <br>
                                Toolz:  Once this gets going, there's
                                legitimate reason to buy all the<br>
                                lockpicking tools needed, including pick
                                guns that make the job go much<br>
                                faster (it's a device with a
                                spring-loaded trigger to operate the
                                pick<br>
                                in a manner similar to the more recent
                                "bump key" technique, and yeah it<br>
                                really works well, to the point where
                                you could get lazy with your<br>
                                skillz if you use it too often;-)<br>
                                <br>
                                Other misc. costs for starting &
                                running this will include:  cost of<br>
                                setting up the co-op legal entity,
                                getting the members bonded to work<br>
                                legally as locksmiths, and routine
                                bookkeeping & tax preparation each<br>
                                year.  But those are very low overhead
                                costs compared to anything that<br>
                                runs out of a storefront.<br>
                                <br>
                                What do y'all think?<br>
                                <br>
                                -G.<br>
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