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Yo's-<br>
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Let's set a meeting time. Any evening this week that doesn't
conflict with something else? Or possibly Wednesday night after the
general meeting? <br>
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The first meeting doesn't need to be long: "whoever is interested,
show up," and the main topic would probably be to explore what it
takes to do this, and if folks are motivated to really do it. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-03-02-Sat 7:08 PM, rusty lindgren
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CADf_g6kODReD_1gJSHbTNzRJgH7_Uff1Cobc-rDHTt_9Bz36og@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">+1. Agree 100%. This is a trade not just a hack. <br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:55 PM, Jehan
Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">wow pretty awesome</div>
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On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 5:52 PM, Anon195714 <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net"
target="_blank">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></span>
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Re. Anthony, re. "how to present this to the
community we would seek to serve." <br>
<br>
Let's not be squeamish about using the word
"marketing";-)<br>
<br>
1) Use the current publicity on our behalf. "Why
do you think we're teaching this class? We're
planning to put the skills to work starting a
security services co-op. People shouldn't have to
pay $200 to get let into their house..."<br>
<br>
2) Judging from the Yelp results that Rusty
brought in, word-of-mouth from referrals will be
priceless. Imagine seeing this in Yelp:<br>
<br>
"I was locked out of my house late Friday night.
I called 510-555-SUDO and left a message. Fifteen
minutes later someone texted me "Alice at Sudo
here, call my mobile," and her number. A half
hour after I called her back, she shows up,
dressed in all-black and riding an electric
scooter. I was starting to get skeptical, but she
picked the lock in less than a minute (no damage
to the lock), so I was back in my house in less
than an hour from when I called. Best part is
they only charge fifty bucks, even nights and
weekends. They're unorthodox but they know what
they're doing, and the price is right. Highly
recommended!"<br>
<br>
3) Word will spread like a viral meme. <br>
<br>
4) This will also get press coverage _because_ it
was already a news story when we did the training
sessions this weekend. "Hello, is this Bob at CBS
Radio News? This is Carlos from Sudo Room.
Remember that story you did on the lock-picking
class? Well, we wanted to do a follow-up with
you...."<br>
<br>
--<br>
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Seriously: if ever there was an opportunity to a)
launch a bunch of right-livelihood jobs, b) get
good publicity for SudoRoom, c) get good publicity
for the hacker culture, d) shake up the local
"establishment" a bit, and e) end up with city
officials supporting us as well (if for no other
reason, to work off the embarrassment from having
done a foot-in-mouth maneuver).... this is
definitely it. <br>
<br>
But we need to pounce on this one like a cat
chasing a laser-pointer. The faster the better if
we want to take advantage of the current
news-buzz.<br>
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-G.<br>
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<div>On 13-03-02-Sat 5:26 PM, Anthony Di
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<p>I don't know that I would participate
myself but I would love to see this tried
and think it would be an interesting and
significant experiment in how sudo room
might help people make livings.<br>
Further thought is needed about how to
present this to the community we would
seek to serve.</p>
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PM, "Anon195714" <<a
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target="_blank">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>>
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Yo's-<br>
<br>
I should have started a new thread with
this to begin with, sorry 'bout<br>
posting this twice, but there's some new
stuff toward the end:<br>
<br>
Opportunity for right-livelihood jobs:<br>
<br>
Sudo Lock Services Co-op. "Fifty bucks
gets you in." Charge $50 for<br>
simple lock picking, no charge if we
can't pick it. "Try us first!"<br>
<br>
Pretty quickly the income gets
sufficient to support keeping a stock of<br>
common locks on hand, and drills: so if
we can't pick it and have to<br>
drill it, we can replace it on the spot
with at least something that's<br>
sufficient to provide security until we
or someone else can come back in<br>
to install the original type of lock or
better.<br>
<br>
Over time we can add more services, for
example complete assessment of<br>
home security, small business security,
and naturally, computer<br>
security. At which point change the
name to Sudo Security Services<br>
Co-op (or use a name like that from the
beginning?). And charge higher<br>
rates for businesses and computer
security. The latter can go up into<br>
the three-figure hourly rates per
person, depending on the project.<br>
<br>
Many of us are naturally nocturnal, so
24/7 service can be offered easily.<br>
<br>
Many of us around here are also
unemployed, under-employed, or<br>
borderline homeless. Billing the client
$50 translates to being able to<br>
allocate $40 - $45 of that to the member
who picks the lock, and $5 -<br>
$10 toward the overhead costs of the
co-op. Every additional $40 - $45<br>
of income really counts for a lot of
folks here.<br>
<br>
I've already got a job but I'd be
willing to help organize this, do<br>
basic business planning &
spreadsheets, and so on. If/when Eddan
is<br>
authorized to practice law in
California, he might be interested in<br>
doing the legal work to set up the
entity.<br>
<br>
And since SudoRoom has hella' publicity
right now, that publicity will<br>
go a long way toward starting a
marketing buzz that could bring in<br>
customers.<br>
<br>
New stuff:<br>
<br>
I can build the telephone infrastructure
for automatically processing<br>
calls from customers to co-op members
including overnight calls. There<br>
are lots of folks here who can design
& build the computer<br>
infrastructure for handling email &
text messages from customers to<br>
co-op members.<br>
<br>
The goal here is, someone contacts us by
phone, email, or text, the<br>
message goes to whoever in the
organization is remotely logged-in to<br>
work at the moment (via whatever devices
they use e.g. laptop, landline,<br>
mobile), someone who is geographically
near the caller picks up the<br>
ticket and scoots off to pick the lock.<br>
<br>
It would be a hella' cool enhancement if
the infrastructure could also<br>
use geographic location to find the
co-op member who is closest to the<br>
customer and available to go to the
site. This could be done with<br>
caller ID, zip code, GPS, and/or other
methods. Alternately, we could<br>
allocate jobs on a round-robin system,
so each person gets a roughly<br>
equal number of jobs per month.<br>
<br>
The invoice & payment system will
need to handle multiple options: cash,<br>
checks, credit cards, electronic payment
systems (PayPal, WePay, etc.),<br>
and even paper invoices that the
customer signs when they make payment<br>
(that can be entered into the online
system the next day).<br>
<br>
Transportation to job sites: some folks
here use bicycles, scooters,<br>
motorcycles: make that a marketing
point, that our overall carbon<br>
footprint is low. "Your Sudo Services
Co-Op locksmith may be showing up<br>
on a bicycle..." This also converges
with the "geeky / hackerish /<br>
unorthodox" image and marketing
approach, so it works in our favor.<br>
<br>
Toolz: Once this gets going, there's
legitimate reason to buy all the<br>
lockpicking tools needed, including pick
guns that make the job go much<br>
faster (it's a device with a
spring-loaded trigger to operate the
pick<br>
in a manner similar to the more recent
"bump key" technique, and yeah it<br>
really works well, to the point where
you could get lazy with your<br>
skillz if you use it too often;-)<br>
<br>
Other misc. costs for starting &
running this will include: cost of<br>
setting up the co-op legal entity,
getting the members bonded to work<br>
legally as locksmiths, and routine
bookkeeping & tax preparation each<br>
year. But those are very low overhead
costs compared to anything that<br>
runs out of a storefront.<br>
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What do y'all think?<br>
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-G.<br>
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