This conversation reminds me of <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eUIK9CihA">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eUIK9CihA</a><div><br></div><div>-steve<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 2:41 PM, Anon195714 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
Heh, we're on the same track here, funny though it may seem. I have a<br>
couple of other things up my sleeve...<br>
<br>
First, I was just thinking (as you were sending your comment): envision<br>
a hoodie with a hood that's big enough to cover two peoples' heads at<br>
conversational distance. It would block cameras from reading their<br>
faces & lips, and it would attenuate their conversation enough that<br>
nearby casual mics couldn't pick it up. So in effect whoever's wearing<br>
this can provide a "tent" for themselves and one other person to have a<br>
private conversation while sitting in a public place. This wouldn't<br>
block highly targeted mics, only casual ones nearby, but it's a start.<br>
(Keep in mind that the New Surveillance Paradigm is not to spend<br>
inordinate labor targeting anyone, but to use mass methods and<br>
statistical probabilities to harvest everyone most of the time.)<br>
<br>
Second, a device:<br>
<br>
A small metal box with a hinged lid and built-in audio masking and RF<br>
jamming of user-selectable bands inside the box. It might also have a<br>
mic inside and a speaker outside. Put your mobile device in the box and<br>
flip a couple of switches on the outside to select the mode of operation:<br>
<br>
= Audio masked so the mobile device's microphones are saturated with<br>
noise, but if you get an incoming call you'll hear it ring via the<br>
external speaker on the box. This would be successful because the box<br>
itself would also attenuate your voice outside of it: by analogy think<br>
of sitting in a room with music playing and the door closed, while<br>
someone has a conversation in the hallway. The closed door muffles<br>
their conversation and all you hear is the music on your radio.<br>
<br>
= GPS band jammed so the device can't stalk your whereabouts.<br>
<br>
= Cellphone band jammed so the device can't talk to towers at all.<br>
<br>
Thus if you can't take the battery out of the mobile device (Apple), you<br>
can jam the hell out of it when you want privacy.<br>
<br>
This could be turned into a "product" sold by SudoRoom or any of our<br>
friendly electronics geeks. I'd bet there'd be pretty decent demand for<br>
it.<br>
<br>
Arguably it would not violate FCC regs about cellphone jamming if the<br>
jamming signals were not detectable to any significant degree outside<br>
the box. (And .gov would tip its hand if it argued that you're not even<br>
allowed to jam cellphones within a few cubic inches of space inside a<br>
metal box.)<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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On 13-03-05-Tue 2:14 PM, <a href="mailto:hol@gaskill.com">hol@gaskill.com</a> wrote:<br>
> meetings in underwater bubble domes! only heads sticking above the artificial waterline - now that's security! "fishsong our walls"...<br>
><br>
><br>
> Mar 5, 2013 01:51:46 PM, <a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">georgio510@sbcglobal.net</a> wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Re. Rachel, "Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices,<br>
> in the fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as<br>
> our roof."<br>
><br>
> YES. Good reminder and well-said. There are times and places where<br>
> it's liberating to not have any devices along. For example when<br>
> going for a swim.<br>
><br>
> -G.<br>
><br>
> =====<br>
><br>
><br>
> On 13-03-05-Tue 11:34 AM, rachel lyra<br>
> hospodar wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> What if everyone carried a device that captured what they were<br>
> saying and replayed it, layered along with other recordings of<br>
> their own voice?<br>
><br>
> Or we could hold all of our meetings without devices, in the<br>
> fields and mountains, with birdsong our walls and the sky as our<br>
> roof.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mar 5, 2013 11:22 AM, "Matthew D.<br>
> Howell" <a href="mailto:matthewdhowell@gmail.com">matthewdhowell@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
><br>
> @Rachel The state of the technology for recognizing and<br>
> separating<br>
> patterns in audio is advanced enough to overcome that sort of<br>
> thing.<br>
> Every person's voice has a distinct signature that can be<br>
> recognized.<br>
> I would venture a guess that some kind of encrypted digital<br>
> signal<br>
> transmission would be the best way to keep any sonic<br>
> communication<br>
> private in the most extreme of situations. (most interested<br>
> party with<br>
> the best technology at their disposal)<br>
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> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:16 AM, rachel lyra hospodar<br>
> <a href="mailto:rachelyra@gmail.com">rachelyra@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > Wouldn't it need to be non-commercially available music,<br>
> so they couldn't<br>
> > just find the audio data of the track, invert its wave,<br>
> and cancel it out of<br>
> > the recording?<br>
> ><br>
> > CACOPHONY FOR THE REVOLUTION!<br>
> ><br>
> > <a href="http://mediumreality.com" target="_blank">mediumreality.com</a><br>
> ><br>
> > On Mar 5, 2013 10:23 AM, "Steve Berl" <a href="mailto:steveberl@gmail.com">steveberl@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> You could carry a boombox around playing loud music<br>
> where ever you go.<br>
> >> Perhaps this would be the end of earbuds. :-)<br>
> >><br>
> >> On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Anthony Di Franco<br>
> <a href="mailto:di.franco@gmail.com">di.franco@gmail.com</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> People have rendered surveillance cameras useless<br>
> with very bright IR<br>
> >>> LEDs in their fields of view.<br>
> >>> Could something similar be done for sound<br>
> recording devices?<br>
> >>><br>
> >>> On Mar 5, 2013 6:17 AM, "Anon195714" <a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">georgio510@sbcglobal.net</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Yo's-<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Something I forgot to add re. DARPA's desire<br>
> for universal recording of<br>
> >>>> face-to-face conversations.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> What's the ideal device for doing all that<br>
> recording?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> How'bout something you wear? How'bout<br>
> something that "everyone" wears?,<br>
> >>>> or even a significant fraction of "everyone"?<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Like maybe Google Glasses.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Always on, camera and mic always "connected"<br>
> to "the cloud." Orwell's<br>
> >>>> telescreen gone mobile.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Everyone who wears them will become, in<br>
> effect, _unpaid surveillance<br>
> >>>> drones_ watching their family and friends,<br>
> not from up in the sky, but<br>
> >>>> from up close where every word can be heard.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Some will say "oh, there's no stopping<br>
> technology." People said that<br>
> >>>> about the atomic bomb and the hydrogen bomb.<br>
> But public outcry led<br>
> >>>> first to treaties and then to progressive<br>
> degrees of nuclear<br>
> >>>> disarmament. We haven't used that technology<br>
> since it was first used in<br>
> >>>> WW2.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> We can stop pernicious tech if we choose. We<br>
> can refuse, we can<br>
> >>>> withdraw consent, we do not have to press the<br>
> Buy button.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> Technology should liberate and empower<br>
> people. "Conveniences with a few<br>
> >>>> strings attached" are not liberation, they're<br>
> puppet-strings.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> It's all about control: technology that you<br>
> can control, vs. technology<br>
> >>>> that can control you.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> -G.<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> =====<br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>><br>
> >>>> On 13-03-05-Tue 1:50 AM, Anon195714 wrote:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > Yo's-<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > This just in:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > "DARPA wants to make [voice<br>
> recognition/transcription] systems so<br>
> >>>> > accurate, you’ll be able to easily<br>
> record, transcribe and recall all<br>
> >>>> > the<br>
> >>>> > conversations you ever have. ... Imagine<br>
> living in a world where every<br>
> >>>> > errant utterance you make is preserved<br>
> forever. ... DARPA [awarded<br>
> >>>> > U.Texas comp sci researcher Matt<br>
> Lease]... $300,000... over two years<br>
> >>>> > to<br>
> >>>> > study the new project, called “Blending<br>
> Crowdsourcing with Automation<br>
> >>>> > for Fast, Cheap, and Accurate Analysis<br>
> of Spontaneous Speech.”"<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > "The idea is that business meetings or<br>
> even conversations with your<br>
> >>>> > friends and family could be stored in<br>
> archives and easily searched.<br>
> >>>> > The<br>
> >>>> > stored recordings could be held in<br>
> servers, owned either by<br>
> >>>> > individuals<br>
> >>>> > or their employers. ... The answer,<br>
> Lease says, is in widespread use<br>
> >>>> > of<br>
> >>>> > recording technologies like smartphones,<br>
> cameras and audio<br>
> >>>> > recorders...<br>
> >>>> > [A] memorandum from the Congressional<br>
> Research Service described [an<br>
> >>>> > earlier DARPA project of this type known<br>
> as] EARS, as focusing on<br>
> >>>> > speech<br>
> >>>> > picked up from broadcasts and telephone<br>
> conversations, “as well as<br>
> >>>> > extract clues about the identity of<br>
> speakers” for “the military,<br>
> >>>> > intelligence and law enforcement<br>
> communities.”"<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > <a href="http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/darpa-speech/" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/03/darpa-speech/</a><br>
> (Yes, "real<br>
> >>>> > geeks<br>
> >>>> > don't read Wired," but nonetheless its<br>
> news pages are useful for<br>
> >>>> > keeping<br>
> >>>> > a finger on the pulse of Big Brother and<br>
> his corporate Brethren.)<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > In short:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > DARPA is researching the means by which<br>
> every conversation you have,<br>
> >>>> > in-person, whether at work or with<br>
> family or friends, gets picked up<br>
> >>>> > by<br>
> >>>> > the mic in your smartphone or other<br>
> portable device, and stored on a<br>
> >>>> > server, where DARPA's algorithms and<br>
> human editors turn all of it into<br>
> >>>> > fast-searchable text, that could be used<br>
> by your employer, the<br>
> >>>> > military,<br>
> >>>> > law enforcement, and intel agencies.<br>
> Presumably the credit bureaus,<br>
> >>>> > insurance companies, and financial<br>
> institutions will want "in" on the<br>
> >>>> > data as well.<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > Now connect that with this, about<br>
> cell-site tracking and call detail<br>
> >>>> > records:<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > "The government maintained [that]<br>
> Americans have no expectation of<br>
> >>>> > privacy of such cell-site records [call<br>
> detail records or CDR] because<br>
> >>>> > they are in the possession of a third<br>
> party — the mobile phone<br>
> >>>> > companies."<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > <a href="http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-drug-dealer-retrial/" target="_blank">http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/gps-drug-dealer-retrial/</a><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > The key point is that the gov's current<br>
> position is that data stored<br>
> >>>> > on<br>
> >>>> > a third party's servers have "no<br>
> expectation of privacy." What begins<br>
> >>>> > with CDR will eventually include<br>
> voicemail messages stored on the<br>
> >>>> > mobile<br>
> >>>> > phone companies' servers, and then<br>
> eventually all of your live<br>
> >>>> > in-person<br>
> >>>> > conversations that are stored "in the<br>
> cloud."<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > "Anything you say can and will be used<br>
> against you..." Mark my words.<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > Meanwhile people keep using gmail and<br>
> Google Voice, and smartphones<br>
> >>>> > from<br>
> >>>> > which they can't remove the batteries.<br>
> Because nothing is more<br>
> >>>> > important<br>
> >>>> > than "convenience," right?<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > As a character in a sci-fi piece I wrote<br>
> in the mid-1980s said, "Why<br>
> >>>> > put<br>
> >>>> > a person in prison, when you can put<br>
> prison in the person instead?"<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> > -G.<br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
> >>>> ><br>
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