<p>Feel free to follow through on the ideas you have posted here and report back to the group. </p>
<p>If you believe that people acting on their own agency haven't gone far enough it would be more productive (and considerate of mitigating factors, such as the social shitstorms heaped on women who pursue harassment remediation within the tech community) to go for what you see as the next step, rather than criticizing the tactics chosen.</p>
<p>I disagree with some of what you have stated (re permanent demonization of bad actors) but you are welcome to that opinion.</p>
<p>R. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 23, 2013 6:51 PM, "Anon195714" <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Yo's-<br>
<br>
Stalkers are major danger, as in, rape and murder. Years ago I
dealt with a violent stalker and helped put him in prison, and along
the way, learned a lot about stalkers. If anyone's interested I
could write a few pages about stalkers. <br>
<br>
The main thing is, stalkers are permanently dangerous in a manner
similar to pedophiles: there is no cure, they are experts at
weaseling out of trouble, and if the opportunity arises, they will
do it again and again until they are stopped. Very often the only
way to stop them is to lock them up before they rape or kill
someone. <br>
<br>
So on one hand it's good that NoiseBridge finally ejected the guy
from the community. <br>
<br>
But on the other hand it's a damn shame that it took so long.<br>
<br>
And lastly, if he has an arrest warrant in Washington state for
felony stalking and violating a restraining order, it's a bigger
shame that he was merely ejected from NoiseBridge. <br>
<br>
As long as he is running around loose, it's a 100% certainty that he
will be looking for another community to invade, and more victims to
stalk. There is a high risk that, sooner than later, he will end up
raping or otherwise brutalizing, or murdering, a woman he has been
stalking. He should have been turned over to the police to be
extradited to Washington to face charges. <br>
<br>
Anyone who hasn't read about this guy's criminal record really
should: <a href="http://pastebin.com/EWBJ4WmN" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/EWBJ4WmN</a> He isn't merely obnoxious,
he has a history of stalking and violence against women. He's an
overt danger to others. <br>
<br>
If you ever wonder how it was that Catholic Church officials
shuffled pedophile priests around rather than turning them over to
the police, there's your answer. YES it CAN happen here. It just
DID.<br>
<br>
And do not doubt for one minute that stalkers prey on our
community's reluctance to involve law enforcement. I saw that
first-hand in the case I dealt with. That makes us a "soft target,"
like stealing a laptop from a car with a window left open. <br>
<br>
It would be a good thing if we could compile a list of resources,
and hold one or more workshops, on how to deal with stalkers. Not
only about how the community should deal with them, but also about
how individuals can protect themselves if they become targets.<br>
<br>
Imagine living your life knowing that there is someone in the
community who is obsessed with controlling your life to the point
where they are willing to track you down and harm you, and you have
to look over your shoulder everywhere you go, even when you go
home. It's a world of difference from dealing with people who are
merely rude or unpleasant in some way. And it's a world of
difference from worrying about random crime, because the stalker is
specifically obsessed with _you_ and with doing it to _you_. We
need to deal with this proactively before it happens again. <br>
<br>
-G. <br>
<br>
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<div>On 13-03-23-Sat 2:38 PM, rachel lyra
hospodar wrote:<br>
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<p>In case folks are curious about what is going on at NB
regarding this individual who repeatedly stalked people to their
homes.</p>
<p>Whatever your take on safe spaces and openness, this discussion
may help to inform your conception of potential dangers to
different members of the community. I hope we all work to be
open to the experiences, and needs, of others.</p>
<p>R.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: "Snail" <<a href="mailto:snailtsunami@gmail.com" target="_blank">snailtsunami@gmail.com</a>><br>
Date: Mar 21, 2013 12:18 PM<br>
Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Consensus on Barring Shawn
Landden from the Noisebridge space and community (Was Re: On
Asking People To Leave (Was Re: Shawn L. ))<br>
To: "Noisebridge-discuss" <<a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net" target="_blank">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>><br>
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<p>Last night, we reached consensus on the decision to ban Shawn
from Noisebridge and the community, which in full wording
goes, "Shawn Landden is barred from Noisebridge. He is
prohibited from entering the space or participating in the
community."</p>
<p>The statement is intentionally worded to so it can be
interpreted to encompass DIGITAL as well as PHYSICAL space.</p>
<p>You can see the meeting notes at <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_03_19" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2013_03_19</a><br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>I am relieved to see the community band together on this
decision, without hesitation, and hope that it encourages
people hurt by this person to return and continue to be a part
of our community. :) Because we do care. And I always look
forward to discussions on what we can do to do better next
time, because it will happen again, at Noisebridge, at every
hackerspace, and it will happen with people we like and are
very attached to and we need to be prepared, mentally, to make
difficult decisions.</p>
<p>I know members of other hackerspaces like to joke about
Noisebridge drama, but this is not silly Internet drama. These
are real problems that happen in every hackerspace, every
place on the planet, and we're trying to solve a problem that
is unsolved (how can you guarantee the safety of people in a
space, when that space is in a society where violence and
threats against people is accepted, even lauded, because the
recipients are women?).</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>We talk about it openly, and I'm glad talk is open.
Information is our best tool here.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 1:01 AM, Danny O'Brien <<a href="mailto:danny@spesh.com" target="_blank">danny@spesh.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Shawn,<br>
><br>
> We are consensing on banning you from Noisebridge next
week, which is<br>
> a fairly serious step that we've only had to enact twice
before.<br>
><br>
> As in a previous case, there is a document containing ten
Noisebridge<br>
> community member's statements about your behaviour among
the<br>
> Noisebridge community. The document is being kept offline
for privacy<br>
> reasons, but can be read by anyone who wishes to contact
the keepers,<br>
> who are Alex Peake and Tom Lowenthal, both of whom are
well known in<br>
> the community.<br>
><br>
> There was swift consensus on making the banning proposal,
with no objections.<br>
><br>
> We went onto discuss how, as a community, we would pass
the collated<br>
> information more widely to other hacker communities.<br>
><br>
> I speak only for myself when I say that the best thing
you might<br>
> consider doing right now is returning back to Washington
where you<br>
> have an outstanding warrant for your arrest in the matter
of violating<br>
> probation, felony stalking, violating a restraining
order, harassment,<br>
> and stalking.<br>
><br>
> I do speak for a large proportion of the Noisebridge
community who<br>
> have made it clear that they wish to communicate as
widely as possible<br>
> what we know about your current state, and to warn others
who you<br>
> might harass. We are already reaching out individually to
hackerspaces<br>
> in our area, and will be relaying the news to Portland.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://pastebin.com/EWBJ4WmN" target="_blank">http://pastebin.com/EWBJ4WmN</a><br>
><br>
> We also spoke about how we might better react more
quickly, and listen<br>
> more swiftly to those who were concerned about your
behaviour earlier.<br>
><br>
> Shawn, I don't think I can say this any more explicitly
than this in<br>
> public: we at Noisebridge are extremely concerned by your
behavior,<br>
> and worried for your mental health. Please return home
and seek care.<br>
> You have been banned from several houses in our city, you
are about to<br>
> be banned from Noisebridge, and we are about to make even
more public<br>
> our concerns. You have been told all of these things
repeatedly by<br>
> individuals, groups of housemates, and law enforcement,
and have made<br>
> no change in your behaviour. Please change it now.<br>
><br>
> d.<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 12:20 AM, Shawn <<a href="mailto:shawnlandden@gmail.com" target="_blank">shawnlandden@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> To be terse here, I am currently not in San
Francisco, but in Portland.<br>
>> Consequentially, I can neither be at Noisebridge
while unwanted, (by some)<br>
>> nor attend meetings.<br>
>> ---<br>
>> Shawn Landden<br>
>> <a href="tel:%2B1%20360%20389%203001" target="_blank">+1 360
389 3001</a> (SMS preferred)</p>
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