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<p style="color: #A0A0A8;">On Thursday, April 4, 2013 at 1:18 PM, sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org wrote:</p>
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<span><div><div><div>Send sudo-discuss mailing list submissions to</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit</div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss-request@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>You can reach the person managing the list at</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss-owner@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific</div><div>than "Re: Contents of sudo-discuss digest..."</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Today's Topics:</div><div><br></div><div> 1. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (Rick Karnesky)</div><div> 2. new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply to</div><div> list) (Max Klein)</div><div> 3. Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web Development, April</div><div> 15: FIRST CLASS of the new series! (Naomi Most)</div><div> 4. Re: new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply</div><div> to list) (Marina Kukso)</div><div> 5. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health: Resistant bugs generally.</div><div> (Anon195714)</div><div> 6. Re: new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition (not reply</div><div> to list) (Anon195714)</div><div> 7. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (aestetix)</div><div> 8. Re: Survey on Money at the space(please reply to this)</div><div> (rusty lindgren)</div><div> 9. Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?</div><div> (rusty lindgren)</div><div> 10. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?</div><div> (Anon195510)</div><div> 11. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?</div><div> (Yardena Cohen)</div><div> 12. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?</div><div> (Sonja Trauss)</div><div> 13. Re: Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this? And how?</div><div> (Marina Kukso)</div><div> 14. Re: TIL: Hacking Sexual Health (Romy Ilano)</div><div> 15. Re: Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and the absence</div><div> therein) (Hol Gaskill)</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>----------------------------------------------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 1</div><div>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:12:05 -0700</div><div>From: Rick Karnesky <<a href="mailto:karnesky@gmail.com">karnesky@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: Vicky Knox <<a href="mailto:vknoxsironi@gmail.com">vknoxsironi@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: Sudo Room discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:515DB465.4050806@gmail.com">515DB465.4050806@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed</div><div><br></div><div>A few leads on the topic, courtesy of Bart Bernhardt (who had answered a </div><div>call for ideas on a broader subject for Valentine's Day this year). Kyle </div><div>and people from AE did a show-and-tell for the Commonwealth Club</div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>"- Kyle Machulis is a whip-smart brash software engineer who, on the </div><div>side, blogs about teleldildonics (using haptic and telecommunications </div><div>technology to facilitate long-distance sex), DIY sex toys, and other </div><div>mash-ups of sex and tech. He's really fun. <a href="http://slashdong.org">http://slashdong.org</a>/</div><div><br></div><div>- Long, long ago, the Exploratorium Biology dept had an exhibit that was </div><div>something like "The Olfaction of Attraction" and had little squeeze </div><div>bottles with human pheromones in them. Depending on your genes and </div><div>gender, you may find the smell either repulsive or attractive. This </div><div>would make a great interactive station. It's fantastic seeing two </div><div>people, one with a look of disgust and the other with a pleased smile, </div><div>trying to reconcile their different perceptions.</div><div><br></div><div>- The Archaeology of Vice. Kari Jones and Liz Clevinger work in the </div><div>archaeology programs at the Presidio of San Francisco. Among the things </div><div>unearthed? Well, the archeological record suggests that, shockingly, </div><div>soldiers stationed there liked sex, based on the wide range of vintage </div><div>porn, prophylactics, and medically-dubious STD cures dug up in the </div><div>Presidio."</div><div><br></div><div>--Rick</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 2</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:16:05 -0700</div><div>From: Max Klein <<a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com">isalix@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms edition</div><div> (not reply to list)</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAKbmofivqmzFQQJz3Hyf2Bwg_+1uO2iMif6z1bHjRnAHUJFXow@mail.gmail.com">CAKbmofivqmzFQQJz3Hyf2Bwg_+1uO2iMif6z1bHjRnAHUJFXow@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us alone about</div><div>our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to use their "Forms" for</div><div>this survey</div><div><br></div><div>IF you've already replied to list:</div><div> don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses</div><div>ELSE:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br></div><div>IF interested in revamping questions:</div><div> form is openly editable</div><div><br></div><div>Max</div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/840d8d3c/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/840d8d3c/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 3</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:31:30 -0700</div><div>From: Naomi Most <<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: "<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>"</div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: [sudo-discuss] Fwd: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web</div><div> Development, April 15: FIRST CLASS of the new series!</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAPKWcozhxcjkkUurNj8BP7y6ivD6f9Gfhm+pKH_H1yAtvLdxsg@mail.gmail.com">CAPKWcozhxcjkkUurNj8BP7y6ivD6f9Gfhm+pKH_H1yAtvLdxsg@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>This is a very good class, always full. Very good for beginners and</div><div>doesn't stop at HTML/CSS/js.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------</div><div>From: Jeffrey Carl Faden <<a href="mailto:jeffreyatw@gmail.com">jeffreyatw@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Date: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:19 PM</div><div>Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Frontend Web Development, April 15: FIRST</div><div>CLASS of the new series!</div><div>To: "<a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>" <</div><div><a href="mailto:noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a>>,</div><div><a href="mailto:noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net">noisebridge-announce@lists.noisebridge.net</a>, <a href="mailto:webdev@lists.noisebridge.net">webdev@lists.noisebridge.net</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I'm taking a week's break and returning April 15!</div><div><br></div><div>Learn HTML, CSS and JavaScript - and put them to good use! This weekly</div><div>lecture series, taught by Jeffrey Carl Faden, is aimed at complete</div><div>beginners who are interested in making websites, as well as seasoned</div><div>professionals looking to brush up on the latest and greatest.</div><div><br></div><div>Frontend web development is all about making code that runs in the</div><div>browser (versus code that runs on the server). There isn't a big focus</div><div>on web design (creating wireframes and mockups), but we do cover best</div><div>practices for turning these designs into beautiful code.</div><div><br></div><div>This is the first class of a new series of classes. If you or your</div><div>friends been waiting to jump in from the very beginning, this is the</div><div>class to take - so spread the word. We'll cover the very basics:</div><div>- Explaining "frontend" vs. "backend"</div><div>- Discussing tools of the trade</div><div>- Explaining the separation between structure, presentation, and behavior</div><div>- Writing a basic HTML page</div><div>- Styling the page with basic CSS</div><div>- Explaining the role of frontend web development as a job and career</div><div><br></div><div>The class starts on Monday, April 15 at 8pm, and goes until 10pm! Plan to</div><div>arrive EARLY, as the class will probably fill up very fast.</div><div><br></div><div>If you can't make it to this week's lecture, you can watch a live</div><div>video stream of the class. Join this Google+ Event to be notified of</div><div>when to hop on:</div><div>*<a href="https://plus.google.com/events/cgs3kmasqdu7f7s7i644i5f7e9g*">https://plus.google.com/events/cgs3kmasqdu7f7s7i644i5f7e9g*</a></div><div>This video stream will also be available to watch after the class is</div><div>complete.</div><div><br></div><div>This class and the space in which it's taught are entirely free to</div><div>attend. Please bring a laptop. Read all of the details here:</div><div><a href="https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development">https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Frontend_Web_Development</a></div><div><br></div><div>Jeffrey</div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>Noisebridge-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net">Noisebridge-discuss@lists.noisebridge.net</a></div><div><a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss">https://www.noisebridge.net/mailman/listinfo/noisebridge-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Naomi Theora Most</div><div><a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com">naomi@nthmost.com</a></div><div>+1-415-728-7490</div><div><br></div><div>skype: nthmost</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/nthmost">http://twitter.com/nthmost</a></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/7788a938/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/7788a938/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 4</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 10:33:15 -0700</div><div>From: Marina Kukso <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: Max Klein <<a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com">isalix@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: "<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>"</div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms</div><div> edition (not reply to list)</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAPgqYnKWNv1MGZ-2RaQBLLPJ0QzEtRdGK5-n3kZm33U-LB-3Pw@mail.gmail.com">CAPgqYnKWNv1MGZ-2RaQBLLPJ0QzEtRdGK5-n3kZm33U-LB-3Pw@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>that's the link to edit the form. please complete the form here:</div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform</a></div><div><br></div><div>thanks,</div><div>marina</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Max Klein <<a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com">isalix@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us alone about</div><div>our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to use their "Forms" for</div><div>this survey</div><div><br></div><div>IF you've already replied to list:</div><div> don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses</div><div>ELSE:</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br></div><div>IF interested in revamping questions:</div><div> form is openly editable</div><div><br></div><div>Max</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/506745f8/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/506745f8/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 5</div><div>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:01:21 -0700</div><div>From: Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>To: Vicky Knox <<a href="mailto:vknoxsironi@gmail.com">vknoxsironi@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: Sudo Room discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health: Resistant bugs</div><div> generally.</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:515DBFF1.50903@sbcglobal.net">515DBFF1.50903@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>... which reminds me: RESISTANT STRAINS. Not just sexually transmitted</div><div>but other as well.</div><div><br></div><div>Resistant gonorrhea, and other resistant bugs, for which the treatments</div><div>that worked in the past are now not working.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to massive abuse of antibiotics in agriculture, and also thanks</div><div>to humans who misuse antibiotics in various ways, we are rapidly heading</div><div>for the "pre-antibiotic" era all over again. The whole topic of</div><div>antibiotics and resistance ought to be on our agenda, including</div><div>non-sexually-transmitted resistant bacteria such as MRSA</div><div>(methicillin-resistant staphylococcus aureus) and MDRTB</div><div>(multi-drug-resistant and massively-drug-resistant tuberculosis), and</div><div>XDRTB (extremely drug-resistant tuberculosis).</div><div><br></div><div>Tuberculosis is a big deal in certain parts of the Bay Area including</div><div>San Francisco and Oakland. There are certain bus lines in SF that</div><div>doctors & nurses call "TB runs" because taking those buses entails a</div><div>high risk of exposure to TB. </div><div><br></div><div>For that matter we should also be thinking about emerging influenza</div><div>strains such as the new variant of avian flu (H5N9 if I recall</div><div>correctly) that's just killed five people in China, and the other new</div><div>virus that's killed a half dozen or so in the Middle East and England:</div><div>right now these seem like tiny isolated events, but any new flu strain</div><div>has the risk of turning out to be another monster pandemic that causes</div><div>millions of deaths in months. Viruses of course are not treated with</div><div>antibiotics, but are relevant because they are infectious/contagious.</div><div><br></div><div>These things are killers, and death by untreatable infection is nasty in</div><div>the utmost.</div><div><br></div><div>Minus antibiotics again, sanitation & hygiene, safe food preparation,</div><div>and safe sexual practices, become that much more important. </div><div><br></div><div>One thing everyone can do starting right now, is wash hands a) after</div><div>using the toilet, b) before preparing food, and c) before eating: every</div><div>time, no exceptions. Toward that end we can make sure that the</div><div>bathrooms and kitchen in the common spaces, and the industrial sink in</div><div>our space, all have bottles of hand-washing soap and paper towels at all</div><div>times.</div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-04-04-Thu 9:53 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>WOW. OK, where to start?</div><div><br></div><div>First off: <a href="https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Today_I_Learned#May_4">https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Today_I_Learned#May_4</a></div><div><br></div><div>Table of Contents</div><div>@Masturbation Lib and Teledildonics</div><div>@Men</div><div>@Gonorrhea</div><div>@Sudo Room Donations</div><div>@Community Infrastructure</div><div><br></div><div>@Masturbation Liberation and Teledildonics: Anon195's ideas are</div><div>amaaaazing! I've been fascinated by teledildonics ever since I heard</div><div>of the existence of Ted Nelson.</div><div><<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics</a>></div><div><<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson</a>></div><div>The closest thing to that that I've run into via the hackerspaces has</div><div>been the Dongiverse, which is cool except that I wouldn't want a</div><div>sharp, porous plastic dong up any of my orifices. <<a href="http://dongiverse.com/">http://dongiverse.com/</a>></div><div>Maybe a class field trip to Arse Elektronica 2013? (AE is an annual SF</div><div>sex and technology event/conference/thingy.) Or how about getting in</div><div>touch with their organizers to see if they'd like to collaborate on a</div><div>workshop? Ooh ideas! <<a href="http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/">http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/</a>></div><div>Masturbation liberation: Fuck yeah! I think this should be its own TIL</div><div>and I'm ready to make it happen. Wanna chose a date, Anon195? Or would</div><div>you like to wait on that until we talk more and/or contact our</div><div>contacts (such as AE)? </div><div>**So who's got the teledildonics connection?</div><div><br></div><div>@Men: Would there be any interest in formulating a men's meetup to</div><div>talk about, you know, stuff? </div><div><br></div><div>@Gonorrhea: I think the greatest workshops I've ever been to have been</div><div>variety hours. It's absolutely lovely and fascinating to have</div><div>educational interludes, kind of like exploring Wikipedia's</div><div>intertwingularity (see Ted Nelson article). May 4th is reserved! Does</div><div>anyone else have an educational interlude they'd like to add to</div><div>Hacking Menstruation? </div><div><br></div><div>@Sudo Room Donations: These events are the perfect opportunity for us</div><div>to pounce upon unsuspecting donors. Please reach far and wide into</div><div>your networks to advertise this. I'll send a follow-up reminder!</div><div><br></div><div>@Community infrastructure: A random hack of kindness will soon be</div><div>making its way toward Sudo Room. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>2013/4/4 Marina Kukso <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>>></div><div><br></div><div> excellent.</div><div><br></div><div> i think this also presents an excellent opportunity for discussing</div><div> what kind of (light) infrastructure would facilitate reproductive</div><div> and sexual health at the space - very basic stuff, tampons etc.,</div><div> but also community infrastructure - are we living up to our goal</div><div> of being inclusive by providing options in both the physical and</div><div> community dimensions of the space that allow everyone to feel at</div><div> home. everyone should be a part of this discussion and i would</div><div> love to speak more with women, queer folks, people of all stripes</div><div> about it.</div><div><br></div><div> - marina</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Rouskey</div><div> <craigrouskey@gmail.com <<a href="mailto:craigrouskey@gmail.com">mailto:craigrouskey@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> I would be down to talk about Gonorrhea and plug our program</div><div> to eradicate the antibiotic resistant strains! May 4 th</div><div><br></div><div> ?</div><div> Sent from Mailbox <<a href="https://bit.ly/SZvoJe">https://bit.ly/SZvoJe</a>> for iPhone</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Anon195714</div><div> <anon195714@sbcglobal.net <<a href="mailto:georgio510@sbcglobal.net">mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>>></div><div> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> Yo's-</div><div><br></div><div> Re. "What does it mean to hack sexual health...?"</div><div><br></div><div> Here's one example. For years I've had a slogan I tell</div><div> people (typically guys) whose sex drive is on overdrive to</div><div> the point where it warps their attitude toward others</div><div> (typically gals):</div><div><br></div><div> "Masturbate and keep your objectivity."</div><div><br></div><div> 70% of guys "admit" that they play with themselves, and</div><div> the other 30% are lying. Yet the hypocrisy around this</div><div> subject is just astounding, and the result is that</div><div> physical needs become conflated with social attitudes and</div><div> generate oppression of self and oppression of others.</div><div><br></div><div> Envision a culture where relationships are based on</div><div> partners feeding each other (as in, holding the forks and</div><div> spoons full of food up to each others' mouths during a</div><div> meal) instead of on people having sex with each other. </div><div> People would run around frantically seeking partners</div><div> because otherwise they'd either have to feed themselves</div><div> (oh!, the embarrassment!) or go hungry and die. </div><div><br></div><div> That's where our culture is about sex. It's crazy. </div><div><br></div><div> So I'd suggest "masturbation liberation" as a sexuality</div><div> hacking topic. </div><div><br></div><div> It even has major potential for cybernetic devices and</div><div> interfaces and online communication enhancements. </div><div><br></div><div> "Did you try building the new Orgasmatron?"</div><div><br></div><div> "Yeah. The interface works pretty well, but there's a bug</div><div> in the code, so I patched it. Wanna' download my version,</div><div> see what you think?"</div><div><br></div><div> Later.... "Hey, your version's a lot better than the</div><div> original. Now I was thinking, the interface could be</div><div> improved. Here, I'll make one for you on the 3D printer."</div><div><br></div><div> "Oh, cool, yeah I like your CAD diagram, I think it'll</div><div> work, so go ahead and print one for me..."</div><div><br></div><div> Here's another potential topic:</div><div><br></div><div> Chastity belts for men in cultures that oppress women (for</div><div> example by making women wear oppressive shapeless garments</div><div> from head to toe, that barely leave enough of an opening</div><div> for their eyes to see the world). </div><div><br></div><div> Even one decent prototype would stir up a bunch of</div><div> publicity about the subject, and hopefully generate some</div><div> embarrassment on the part of men whose answer to their own</div><div> weaknesses is to oppress women. "Stop the problem at its</div><div> source: the dirty minds of men!"</div><div><br></div><div> OK, enough for one night;-)</div><div><br></div><div> -G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> =====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> On 13-04-04-Thu 12:18 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div> Tonight during the general meeting I proposed the Today I</div><div> Learned event "Hacking Sexual Health". I'd like to open</div><div> up the floor to multiple facilitators interested in this</div><div> topic area to help me lead either one TIL workshop, or a</div><div> series of workshops if there is sufficient excitement.</div><div> Hacking Sexual Health is intended for sexual and asexual</div><div> people alike. </div><div><br></div><div> So what does it mean to hack sexual health? Ruminate on</div><div> it. :]</div><div><br></div><div> My personal interest is hacking menstruation. I'd like to</div><div> lead a workshop for creating cloth pads out of recycled</div><div> clothing. The workshop is intended both for people who</div><div> menstruate and for people who have friends who menstruate</div><div> (and want to make them lovely presents!). We will go over</div><div> different lady product options and have fun</div><div> cost-comparisons for different products and unproducts. </div><div><br></div><div> I will be reserving either April 27th or May 4th upon</div><div> consulting my secretary. :P</div><div><br></div><div> Please contact me if you are interested in developing</div><div> your own workshop or helping me to facilitate</div><div> menstruation hacking! </div><div><br></div><div> ykciV</div><div><br></div><div> PS: Clothing hackers, you know who you are! </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/7c85769f/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/7c85769f/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 6</div><div>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:05:36 -0700</div><div>From: Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>To: Marina Kukso <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: Max Klein <<a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com">isalix@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>"</div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] new sudoroom dues survey: google forms</div><div> edition (not reply to list)</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:515DC0F0.1040608@sbcglobal.net">515DC0F0.1040608@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I posted my answers to the list, and I'm not going to go to a Google</div><div>site that will probably stick me with some kind of tracking cookies that</div><div>can't easily be flushed out of my browser. </div><div><br></div><div>Really: expecting people to expose themselves to being data-mined,</div><div>tracked, and otherwise bugged is not consensual and not cool. </div><div><br></div><div>"Don't become an unpaid surveillance drone."</div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-04-04-Thu 10:33 AM, Marina Kukso wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>hi everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>that's the link to edit the form. please complete the form</div><div>here: <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/viewform</a></div><div><br></div><div>thanks,</div><div>marina</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Max Klein <<a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com">isalix@gmail.com</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com">mailto:isalix@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div> I know we all love Google like a relative (that won't leave us</div><div> alone about our private lives), but it seems like a good idea to</div><div> use their "Forms" for this survey</div><div><br></div><div> IF you've already replied to list:</div><div> don't worry about refilling it out, I'll migrate responses</div><div> ELSE:</div><div> </div><div> <a href="https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing">https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WmLrkg0tmFf3Ny66IyCmyMfqLc43MzhyQlgEs_dtaUE/edit?usp=sharing</a></div><div><br></div><div> IF interested in revamping questions:</div><div> form is openly editable</div><div><br></div><div> Max</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> _______________________________________________</div><div> sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div> <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/15fda324/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/15fda324/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 7</div><div>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 11:14:23 -0700</div><div>From: aestetix <<a href="mailto:aestetix@aestetix.com">aestetix@aestetix.com</a>></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:515DC2FF.3050704@aestetix.com">515DC2FF.3050704@aestetix.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252</div><div><br></div><div>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----</div><div>Hash: SHA1</div><div><br></div><div>Kyle (who made Teledildonics) is a good friend, I could reach out and</div><div>see if he'd be interested in doing a workshop.</div><div><br></div><div>Johannes (of AE) rocks, I don't know when the next time he'll be in</div><div>the US is though, he's from Austria.</div><div><br></div><div>Just another thought: maybe reach out to the Oakland Good Vibrations</div><div>shop and see if someone would be interested in teaching safety/etc?</div><div><br></div><div>I am super happy to see this coming up, thanks for proposing it, Vicky!</div><div><br></div><div>On 4/4/13 9:53 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>WOW. OK, where to start?</div><div><br></div><div>First off: <a href="https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Today_I_Learned#May_4">https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Today_I_Learned#May_4</a></div><div><br></div><div>Table of Contents @Masturbation Lib and Teledildonics @Men </div><div>@Gonorrhea @Sudo Room Donations @Community Infrastructure</div><div><br></div><div>@Masturbation Liberation and Teledildonics: Anon195's ideas are </div><div>amaaaazing! I've been fascinated by teledildonics ever since I</div><div>heard of the existence of Ted Nelson. </div><div><<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics</a>> </div><div><<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Nelson</a>> The closest thing to that</div><div>that I've run into via the hackerspaces has been the Dongiverse,</div><div>which is cool except that I wouldn't want a sharp, porous plastic</div><div>dong up any of my orifices. <<a href="http://dongiverse.com/">http://dongiverse.com/</a>> Maybe a class</div><div>field trip to Arse Elektronica 2013? (AE is an annual SF sex and</div><div>technology event/conference/thingy.) Or how about getting in touch</div><div>with their organizers to see if they'd like to collaborate on a </div><div>workshop? Ooh ideas! <<a href="http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/">http://www.monochrom.at/arse-elektronika/</a>> </div><div>Masturbation liberation: Fuck yeah! I think this should be its own</div><div>TIL and I'm ready to make it happen. Wanna chose a date, Anon195?</div><div>Or would you like to wait on that until we talk more and/or contact</div><div>our contacts (such as AE)? **So who's got the teledildonics</div><div>connection?</div><div><br></div><div>@Men: Would there be any interest in formulating a men's meetup to</div><div>talk about, you know, stuff?</div><div><br></div><div>@Gonorrhea: I think the greatest workshops I've ever been to have</div><div>been variety hours. It's absolutely lovely and fascinating to have </div><div>educational interludes, kind of like exploring Wikipedia's </div><div>intertwingularity (see Ted Nelson article). May 4th is reserved!</div><div>Does anyone else have an educational interlude they'd like to add</div><div>to Hacking Menstruation?</div><div><br></div><div>@Sudo Room Donations: These events are the perfect opportunity for</div><div>us to pounce upon unsuspecting donors. Please reach far and wide</div><div>into your networks to advertise this. I'll send a follow-up</div><div>reminder!</div><div><br></div><div>@Community infrastructure: A random hack of kindness will soon be</div><div>making its way toward Sudo Room.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>2013/4/4 Marina Kukso <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a> </div><div><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>>></div><div><br></div><div>excellent.</div><div><br></div><div>i think this also presents an excellent opportunity for discussing </div><div>what kind of (light) infrastructure would facilitate reproductive </div><div>and sexual health at the space - very basic stuff, tampons etc.,</div><div>but also community infrastructure - are we living up to our goal</div><div>of being inclusive by providing options in both the physical and </div><div>community dimensions of the space that allow everyone to feel at </div><div>home. everyone should be a part of this discussion and i would</div><div>love to speak more with women, queer folks, people of all stripes</div><div>about it.</div><div><br></div><div>- marina</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Craig Rouskey </div><div><craigrouskey@gmail.com <<a href="mailto:craigrouskey@gmail.com">mailto:craigrouskey@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><div>I would be down to talk about Gonorrhea and plug our program to </div><div>eradicate the antibiotic resistant strains! May 4 th</div><div><br></div><div>? Sent from Mailbox <<a href="https://bit.ly/SZvoJe">https://bit.ly/SZvoJe</a>> for iPhone</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 3:46 AM, Anon195714 </div><div><anon195714@sbcglobal.net <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>>></div><div>wrote:</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Yo's-</div><div><br></div><div>Re. "What does it mean to hack sexual health...?"</div><div><br></div><div>Here's one example. For years I've had a slogan I tell people</div><div>(typically guys) whose sex drive is on overdrive to the point where</div><div>it warps their attitude toward others (typically gals):</div><div><br></div><div>"Masturbate and keep your objectivity."</div><div><br></div><div>70% of guys "admit" that they play with themselves, and the other</div><div>30% are lying. Yet the hypocrisy around this subject is just</div><div>astounding, and the result is that physical needs become conflated</div><div>with social attitudes and generate oppression of self and</div><div>oppression of others.</div><div><br></div><div>Envision a culture where relationships are based on partners </div><div>feeding each other (as in, holding the forks and spoons full of</div><div>food up to each others' mouths during a meal) instead of on people</div><div>having sex with each other. People would run around frantically</div><div>seeking partners because otherwise they'd either have to feed</div><div>themselves (oh!, the embarrassment!) or go hungry and die.</div><div><br></div><div>That's where our culture is about sex. It's crazy.</div><div><br></div><div>So I'd suggest "masturbation liberation" as a sexuality hacking</div><div>topic.</div><div><br></div><div>It even has major potential for cybernetic devices and interfaces</div><div>and online communication enhancements.</div><div><br></div><div>"Did you try building the new Orgasmatron?"</div><div><br></div><div>"Yeah. The interface works pretty well, but there's a bug in the</div><div>code, so I patched it. Wanna' download my version, see what you</div><div>think?"</div><div><br></div><div>Later.... "Hey, your version's a lot better than the original. Now</div><div>I was thinking, the interface could be improved. Here, I'll make</div><div>one for you on the 3D printer."</div><div><br></div><div>"Oh, cool, yeah I like your CAD diagram, I think it'll work, so go</div><div>ahead and print one for me..."</div><div><br></div><div>Here's another potential topic:</div><div><br></div><div>Chastity belts for men in cultures that oppress women (for example</div><div>by making women wear oppressive shapeless garments from head to</div><div>toe, that barely leave enough of an opening for their eyes to see</div><div>the world).</div><div><br></div><div>Even one decent prototype would stir up a bunch of publicity about</div><div>the subject, and hopefully generate some embarrassment on the part</div><div>of men whose answer to their own weaknesses is to oppress women.</div><div>"Stop the problem at its source: the dirty minds of men!"</div><div><br></div><div>OK, enough for one night;-)</div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-04-04-Thu 12:18 AM, Vicky Knox wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Tonight during the general meeting I proposed the Today I Learned</div><div>event "Hacking Sexual Health". I'd like to open up the floor to</div><div>multiple facilitators interested in this topic area to help me</div><div>lead either one TIL workshop, or a series of workshops if there</div><div>is sufficient excitement. Hacking Sexual Health is intended for</div><div>sexual and asexual people alike.</div><div><br></div><div>So what does it mean to hack sexual health? Ruminate on it. :]</div><div><br></div><div>My personal interest is hacking menstruation. I'd like to lead a</div><div>workshop for creating cloth pads out of recycled clothing. The</div><div>workshop is intended both for people who menstruate and for</div><div>people who have friends who menstruate (and want to make them</div><div>lovely presents!). We will go over different lady product options</div><div>and have fun cost-comparisons for different products and</div><div>unproducts.</div><div><br></div><div>I will be reserving either April 27th or May 4th upon consulting</div><div>my secretary. :P</div><div><br></div><div>Please contact me if you are interested in developing your own</div><div>workshop or helping me to facilitate menstruation hacking!</div><div><br></div><div>ykciV</div><div><br></div><div>PS: Clothing hackers, you know who you are!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________ sudo-discuss</div><div>mailing list <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>> </div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________ sudo-discuss</div><div>mailing list <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a> </div><div><<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>> </div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________ sudo-discuss</div><div>mailing list <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a> </div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----</div><div>Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2.0.18 (Darwin)</div><div>Comment: GPGTools - <a href="http://gpgtools.org">http://gpgtools.org</a></div><div><br></div><div>iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJRXcL/AAoJEOrRfDwkjbpTY1IIAIy3/46fFWZABViGn06kmku1</div><div>EgD3x4BfrFuRxzgolNlHBVWz8U9L29JyGhI6JLMCtCBZ4KvXjrUPV8ufYDw/EIv7</div><div>1fK46DngbAAO/Hqx9T3YllHGMlsZJkNBp/hQiGkBMgQGhqdmIiImP4L0UBeriVHc</div><div>gXDUWwHSOxMwQuSCQgMSJdvZZnFDehiyfd1VA2gJhPuIMipsR/kr+6lJ4MpTmcsf</div><div>7eq/ZQ5iDJQauoEd6N60ubkfigPqVpeS/X3ft9Ywv/ebTyXf35WaLts9sQzvPpBE</div><div>4r53IoNP03FDczx6qfItiOLgZgToa5E7S6Za6p4DBysymQJt4ymTt5Lx/EzCP3I=</div><div>=1VPK</div><div>-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 8</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 11:42:46 -0700</div><div>From: rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:sudo-announce@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-announce@lists.sudoroom.org</a>,</div><div> "<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>" <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Survey on Money at the space(please reply</div><div> to this)</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CADf_g6nERS=VcARcB4Xi856Fk=<a href="mailto:poLud5uzw-QWnikwwGgQKs2g@mail.gmail.com">poLud5uzw-QWnikwwGgQKs2g@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>Hey Everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>There have been some pretty legitimate issues around dues and access raised</div><div>on this thread, not really having to do with payment, so I'll start another</div><div>thread, but so far... 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And</div><div> how?</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CADf_g6ngP3MSpf-4w=0sbrgEmeMz3q+PWAtiqF_o6NADFn-=<a href="mailto:Hw@mail.gmail.com">Hw@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>Hey Everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues</div><div>thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),</div><div>has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably</div><div>mostly because of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have</div><div>access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get</div><div>sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work</div><div>here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the</div><div>space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do</div><div>something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about</div><div>this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because</div><div>we've had really shitty access up until now.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying to</div><div>see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for</div><div>some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is</div><div>true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if</div><div>we do decide on it being okay for members to do.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really is</div><div>about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and</div><div>establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty</div><div>**</div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/859ff091/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/859ff091/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 10</div><div>Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 12:17:32 -0700</div><div>From: Anon195714 <<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>To: rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?</div><div> And how?</div><div>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:515DD1C9.3000006@sbcglobal.net">515DD1C9.3000006@sbcglobal.net</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>24/7 card key access for trusted members is good. But it should be</div><div>considered a privilege, not a right, and not something everyone gets,</div><div>and certainly not something people get instantly when they sign up. </div><div><br></div><div>24/7 card key access immediately upon signing the membership list is</div><div>bad, bad, bad, it's an invitation to all manner of creeps, crooks, and</div><div>potential theft & violence, and I'll hard block it in a ten-second</div><div>minute on the basis of the "safe space" principal. </div><div><br></div><div>"Open" is not synonymous with "easy." </div><div><br></div><div>Sorry to be taking a hard line on this, but the last thing we need is</div><div>for someone to get robbed or raped by some creep who figured us for an</div><div>easy target. The stakes are too high, and the benefits aren't worth</div><div>the risks.</div><div><br></div><div>-G.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=====</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On 13-04-04-Thu 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hey Everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the</div><div>dues thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7</div><div>access), has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about,</div><div>probably mostly because of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person</div><div>have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but</div><div>even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety</div><div>issues at work here, and we should discuss them in relation to</div><div>cost/benefits for the space. It's also entirely possible that we</div><div>trust someone, and they just do something bad anyway. We don't really</div><div>spend a lot of time thinking about this, but this is something we</div><div>haven't had to really deal with yet, because we've had really shitty</div><div>access up until now. </div><div><br></div><div>I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was</div><div>trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but</div><div>I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least</div><div>in 1 case this is true. I also am not sure it's really something we</div><div>should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay for members to do. </div><div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it</div><div>really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting</div><div>membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to</div><div>reply here. </div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty</div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/55f37fe6/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/55f37fe6/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 11</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:23:36 -0700</div><div>From: Yardena Cohen <<a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com">yardenack@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: sudo-discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?</div><div> And how?</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CAEi7jy3Z7+=VcW=3Ug=Jw=<a href="mailto:gcUaOTp9oX1MMLUcuQUbSnA9tT-A@mail.gmail.com">gcUaOTp9oX1MMLUcuQUbSnA9tT-A@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1</div><div><br></div><div>(Rusty: sorry for the double e-mail)</div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have</div><div>access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get</div><div>sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work</div><div>here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the space.</div><div>It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do</div><div>something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about</div><div>this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because</div><div>we've had really shitty access up until now.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Honestly I'm not comfortable linking access to payment, for a lot of</div><div>reasons, but I'll try to outline the most salient thing for me right</div><div>now:</div><div><br></div><div>* I don't think access means anything if a person can't feel safe here</div><div>* I don't feel safe when I'm at the space all alone</div><div>* I feel even better when I'm sharing the space with multiple people</div><div>who I know and trust</div><div>* Our goal should be for the space to be full of known & trusted</div><div>people -- if not always, then as much as possible</div><div>* It would be silly to turn anybody away at that point</div><div><br></div><div>So my goal day in and day out is to look for ways to expand Sudoroom's</div><div>web of trust - not just get people to the space, not just facilitate</div><div>and encourage them giving money to the space, but helping them feel</div><div>happy and comfortable and like they could be a part of a community,</div><div>and that coming here will give them a chance to hack awesome things,</div><div>work on their projects, get inspired for new projects.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm open to solutions in the form of rules and algorithms, but I'm</div><div>skeptical of any solutions that seem to close doors (literally &</div><div>figuratively) because Sudoroom and hackerspaces in general are so new</div><div>and experimental.</div><div><br></div><div>The scepter of an untrusted person being alone in the space is</div><div>important, but I honestly don't see a good reliable antidote other</div><div>than "add more trusted people." Safety in numbers.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 12</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:24:31 -0700</div><div>From: Sonja Trauss <<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: rusty lindgren <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?</div><div> And how?</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAEMAOD4aqGO837T_hyBqzTeEDLjHSYFMKpSyUmKCHiH4Ooos_Q@mail.gmail.com">CAEMAOD4aqGO837T_hyBqzTeEDLjHSYFMKpSyUmKCHiH4Ooos_Q@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west Oakland</div><div>but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.</div><div>I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people</div><div>work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for</div><div>that reason as it is for the safety reasons.</div><div>I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member to</div><div>recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like me</div><div>could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then I</div><div>would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule) to</div><div>sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's actually</div><div>already how communities work.</div><div>On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hey Everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues</div><div>thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),</div><div>has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably</div><div>mostly because of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have</div><div>access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get</div><div>sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work</div><div>here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the</div><div>space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do</div><div>something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about</div><div>this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because</div><div>we've had really shitty access up until now.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying</div><div>to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for</div><div>some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is</div><div>true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if</div><div>we do decide on it being okay for members to do.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really</div><div>is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and</div><div>establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty</div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/4c33a5bc/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/4c33a5bc/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 13</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:25:50 -0700</div><div>From: Marina Kukso <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: Sonja Trauss <<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></div><div>Cc: "<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>"</div><div> <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Instant 24/7 access? Do we allow for this?</div><div> And how?</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <CAPgqYnK4v2K3evuSJNxscenFKo=<a href="mailto:kVH+e0Q30Woj_z3ZXaN_7Dw@mail.gmail.com">kVH+e0Q30Woj_z3ZXaN_7Dw@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>welcome sonja!</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>+a million to jordan's email.</div><div><br></div><div>- marina</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss <<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>>wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west</div><div>Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.</div><div>I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people</div><div>work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for</div><div>that reason as it is for the safety reasons.</div><div>I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member</div><div>to recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like</div><div>me could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then</div><div>I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule)</div><div>to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's</div><div>actually already how communities work.</div><div>On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Hey Everyone,</div><div><br></div><div>Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues</div><div>thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access),</div><div>has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably</div><div>mostly because of time.</div><div><br></div><div>Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have</div><div>access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get</div><div>sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work</div><div>here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the</div><div>space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do</div><div>something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about</div><div>this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because</div><div>we've had really shitty access up until now.</div><div><br></div><div>I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying</div><div>to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for</div><div>some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is</div><div>true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if</div><div>we do decide on it being okay for members to do.</div><div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really</div><div>is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and</div><div>establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Rusty</div><div>**</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div>-------------- next part --------------</div><div>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...</div><div>URL: <<a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/968e005c/attachment-0001.html">http://lists.sudoroom.org/pipermail/sudo-discuss/attachments/20130404/968e005c/attachment-0001.html</a>></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>Message: 14</div><div>Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 13:01:44 -0700</div><div>From: Romy Ilano <<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com">romy@snowyla.com</a>></div><div>To: <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] TIL: Hacking Sexual Health</div><div>Message-ID:</div><div> <<a href="mailto:CAFqWQB-F9O3ijmBmdcAkbUOCbJrUyRFZxMg+5UCbbywE_BK3_w@mail.gmail.com">CAFqWQB-F9O3ijmBmdcAkbUOCbJrUyRFZxMg+5UCbbywE_BK3_w@mail.gmail.com</a>></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"</div><div><br></div><div>This is a great idea!</div><div>In the 1990s I used to go to some punk rock feminist women's health talks.</div><div>One session had us doing self-examinations using speculums with mirrors.</div><div>I'd like to throw that into the "stone soup" of a mix!</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.fwhc.org/health/selfcare.htm">http://www.fwhc.org/health/selfcare.htm</a></div><div><br></div><div>- I'm unsure how comfortable most women would be doing self-examinations in</div><div>front of men.</div><div>- Using speculums and mirrors was very informative! 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(WAS: Food and</div><div> the absence therein)</div><div>Message-ID: <1395529949.118093.1365106737013.JavaMail.mail@webmail06></div><div>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8</div><div><br></div><div>WANT</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Apr 4, 2013 01:15:20 AM, <a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com">pnaomi@gmail.com</a> wrote:</div><div>That was a completely awesome repast, everybody. ?I love the idea of meetings as potlucks just as much as it's amazing to have "catered" meals by Ray. ?:)</div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Would anybody like to try my pumpkin pie made with coconut milk and honey? ?I know it's not exactly the season for it, but I love pumpkin so much, I have been making it for myself lately.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Leonid Kozhukh <a href="mailto:len@ligertail.com">len@ligertail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>so far, were going with soup, fried cauliflower, and kale salad. other suggestions and/or additions?</div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:18 PM, <a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a> <a href="mailto:mattsenate@gmail.com">mattsenate@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>Ive been making soups in the crockpot and can continue doing the same. I left miso and greens in the fridge, another stop at Koreana Plaza for rice noodles, oyster mushrooms, green onion, and tofu should do. Feel free to grab other things for a soup too. The trick is to heat up the crockpot with a bit of water or soup base, then use the water boiler above the sink for the boiling. Basically a simple hotspot, nothing needs more than a 10 minutes of hot water to cook.</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>// Matt</div><div><br></div><div>----- Reply message -----</div><div>From: "Yardena Cohen" <a href="mailto:yardenack@gmail.com">yardenack@gmail.com</a>></div><div>To: "sudo-discuss" <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Subject: [sudo-discuss] Help with dinner tonight? (WAS: Food and the absence therein)</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>Date: Wed, Apr 3, 2013 3:41 PM</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Raymond Lai <a href="mailto:raymond.wm.lai@gmail.com">raymond.wm.lai@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>My fellow Sudoers, I am not feeling well and will not be able to make the</div><blockquote type="cite"><div>meeting tonight. I wish I could say there are leftovers in the fridge. :(</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks so much for all your work Ray!</div><div><br></div><div>If anybody else would like to collaborate on food tonight, I'd love to</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>help! I can contribute time, car, buying ingredients, chopping skills,</div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>and following directions, in exchange for your contribution of</div><div>leadership. :) :) :)</div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>_______________________________________________</div></blockquote><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>len</div><div>founder, ligertailhttp://<a href="http://ligertail.com">ligertail.com</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>_______________________________________________</div></blockquote><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><blockquote type="cite"><div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-- </div><div>Naomi Theora Most</div><div><a href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com">naomi@nthmost.com</a></div><div>+1-415-728-7490</div><div><br></div><div>skype: nthmost</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://twitter.com/nthmost">http://twitter.com/nthmost</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>------------------------------</div><div><br></div><div>_______________________________________________</div><div>sudo-discuss mailing list</div><div><a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a></div><div><a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>End of sudo-discuss Digest, Vol 6, Issue 8</div><div>******************************************</div></div></div></span>
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