Good points, <div><br></div><div>There are some other threat models to work through, but this would be a great place to start from.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>-Rusty<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Julio Rios <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:julio.rios@gmail.com" target="_blank">julio.rios@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I was listening to the Noisebridge tour sent by Vicky and it seems like their <a href="http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=10m02s" target="_blank">membership process</a> is a little <a href="http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=8m58s" target="_blank">more formalized</a>. I would support doing something similar, though perhaps not exactly the same.... as Sonja suggested.<div>
I would think full members (per some criteria) would get access 24/7, and everyone else can access the space if a member is already there (as is usually the case now, though the definition of "member" is currently somewhat vague).<br>
</div><div><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, rusty lindgren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Same, Welcome Sonja! <div><br></div><div>Thanks for your thoughts. It's really important to the group that all humans feel like there is a good level of safety in the space. </div>
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On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">welcome sonja!<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>+a million to jordan's email.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>- marina</div></font></span></div><div>
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<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd.<br>
I agree with an earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people work for what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for that reason as it is for the safety reasons.<br>
I suggest you adopt the age-old policy of having to get a current member to recommend you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like me could become a partial member immediately, with limited access, and then I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if that's the rule) to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds exclusive, but it's actually already how communities work. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
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Hey Everyone,<div><br>Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in the dues thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point about 24/7 access), has as a big security exception, we didn't really talk about, probably mostly because of time.<br>
<div><br></div><div>Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this person have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain open," but even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there are real safety issues at work here, and we should discuss them in relation to cost/benefits for the space. It's also entirely possible that we trust someone, and they just do something bad anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about this, but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet, because we've had really shitty access up until now. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value, but I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at least in 1 case this is true. I also am not sure it's really something we should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay for members to do. </div>
<div><br></div><div>If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to reply here. </div>
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