<div dir="ltr">The definition, as defined by the articles, was, and maybe still is, sufficiently vague to allow many of us to become "members" without having to jump through many hurdles. This was probably intentional. However, if we are discussing more tangible benefits, and responsibilities, in accordance to the core values, this thread has brought up a number of issues which may mean it is time to define what membership is more concretely. I can help on a proposal for amendment, but would appreciate if someone else takes the lead. <div>
<br></div><div>Is anyone fundamentally opposed to making membership more of a "process", potentially requiring consensus from existing members?</div><div style>I would NOT want to limit existing access to non-members, but rather, codifying how to become a member, how to sustain membership, and what explicit responsibilities/benefits are associated with membership as opposed to non-membership.</div>
<div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:48 PM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">hi everyone, the definition of membership, requirements to become a member, and the benefits of membership are discussed in our <a href="https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.0_Definition" target="_blank">articles of association</a>:<div>
<br></div><div><h3 style="border-bottom-style:none;line-height:19.1875px;padding-top:0.5em;font-size:17px;overflow:hidden;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0.3em;padding-bottom:0.17em;background-image:none">
<span>Section 2.0 Definition</span></h3><p style="line-height:19.1875px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em"><b>sudo room</b> is a deliberative collective, meaning there is horizontal democratic control and participatory management of the organization, which is composed of all individual members. However, the group actively strives to substantially incorporate interested community participants and beneficiaries who are non-members. Members agree to decisions made by <b>sudo room</b> as well the terms of these Articles of Association and all future amendments.</p>
<p style="line-height:19.1875px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em">By using spaces or services operated by <b>sudo room</b>, community participants and beneficiaries are obligated to respect all decisions by <b>sudo room</b> as well as the terms of these Articles of Association and all future amendments.</p>
<h3 style="border-bottom-style:none;line-height:19.1875px;padding-top:0.5em;font-size:17px;overflow:hidden;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0.3em;padding-bottom:0.17em;background-image:none"><span style="float:right;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal;margin-left:5px">[<a href="https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association&action=edit§ion=6" title="Edit section: Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target="_blank">edit</a>]</span><span>Section 2.1 Qualifications for Membership</span></h3>
<ul style="line-height:19.1875px;list-style-type:square;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Membership is defined by fulfilling the following requirements:<ol style="line-height:1.5em;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 3.2em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Contributing monthly dues (sliding-scale with respect to operating costs) or equivalent.<ul style="line-height:1.5em;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">
It is an express purpose of the group to keep membership rates low, and therefore accessible, as well as offer, when possible, alternatives to monetary contribution to suffice for monthly dues.</li></ul></li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">
A status of good standing with the organization.<ul style="line-height:1.5em;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px"><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Unresolved debts and/or substantial lapses in respecting the values of the organization and its members may result in suspension of membership, to be determined by fair process respecting individual rights and freedoms and the integrity of community norms.</li>
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<span style="float:right;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal;margin-left:5px">[<a href="https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association&action=edit§ion=7" title="Edit section: Section 2.2 Sudo Functionaries" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target="_blank">edit</a>]</span><span>Section 2.2 Sudo Functionaries</span></h3>
<p style="line-height:19.1875px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em">[<a href="https://sudoroom.org/wiki/page/Articles_of_Association#Section_2.2_Sudo_Functionaries" target="_blank">snipped</a>]</p>
<h3 style="border-bottom-style:none;line-height:19.1875px;padding-top:0.5em;font-size:17px;overflow:hidden;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0px 0px 0.3em;padding-bottom:0.17em;background-image:none"><span style="float:right;font-size:13px;font-weight:normal;margin-left:5px">[<a href="https://sudoroom.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Articles_of_Association&action=edit§ion=8" title="Edit section: Section 2.3 Benefits" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(11,0,128);background-image:none" target="_blank">edit</a>]</span><span>Section 2.3 Benefits</span></h3>
<p style="line-height:19.1875px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0.4em 0px 0.5em">The following are benefits available to all members:</p><ul style="line-height:19.1875px;list-style-type:square;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Usable assets and resources available within reasonable constraints of time and under the condition of sharing.<ul style="line-height:1.5em;list-style-type:square;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em"><b>sudo room</b> strives to make assets and resources available to as many non-member participants and beneficiaries as possible.</li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Note: no personal property should be stored in <b>sudo room</b> unless a system for personal storage can be provided by <b>sudo room</b>.</li>
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Note: the use of <b>sudo room</b> environments for habitation and/or domestic use is strongly discouraged.</li></ul></li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Approved discounts and services negotiated through the collective purchasing power of <b>sudo room</b>.<ul style="line-height:1.5em;list-style-type:square;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">Items are up to the discretion of <b>sudo room</b> to determine through its budgeting and decision-making processes.</li></ul></li><li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">A <i>safe space,</i> which is defined as:<ul style="line-height:1.5em;list-style-type:square;margin:0.3em 0px 0px 1.6em;padding:0px">
<li style="margin-bottom:0.1em">"A place where anyone can relax and be fully self-expressed, without fear of being made to feel uncomfortable, unwelcome, or unsafe on account of biological sex, race/ethnicity, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, cultural background, age, or physical or mental ability; a place where the rules guard each person's self-respect and dignity and strongly encourage everyone to respect others." <a rel="nofollow" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe-space" style="text-decoration:none;color:rgb(102,51,102)" target="_blank">— Advocates for Youth via Wikipedia</a>.</li>
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</font></span></ul></li></ul><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>- marina</div></font></span></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:33 PM, aestetix <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:aestetix@aestetix.com" target="_blank">aestetix@aestetix.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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As someone who was involved in Noisebridge for longer than is healthy,<br>
I can vouch that, like everything else, their membership process is<br>
not perfect.<br>
<br>
That said, it might be worthwhile to create a list of what you want<br>
"membership" to mean, and craft a process around that list.<br>
<br>
Hail Eris,<br>
aestetix<br>
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On 4/4/13 2:18 PM, rusty lindgren wrote:<br>
> Good points,<br>
><br>
> There are some other threat models to work through, but this would<br>
> be a great place to start from.<br>
><br>
><br>
> -Rusty<br>
><br>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Julio Rios <<a href="mailto:julio.rios@gmail.com" target="_blank">julio.rios@gmail.com</a><br>
</div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:julio.rios@gmail.com" target="_blank">julio.rios@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I was listening to the Noisebridge tour sent by Vicky and it seems<br>
> like their membership process<br>
</div>> <<a href="http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=10m02s" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=10m02s</a>> is a little more formalized<br>
> <<a href="http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=8m58s" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/2wGMjRJpLCA?t=8m58s</a>>. I would support doing<br>
<div>> something similar, though perhaps not exactly the same.... as<br>
> Sonja suggested. I would think full members (per some criteria)<br>
> would get access 24/7, and everyone else can access the space if a<br>
> member is already there (as is usually the case now, though the<br>
> definition of "member" is currently somewhat vague).<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 1:52 PM, rusty lindgren<br>
</div><div>> <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Same, Welcome Sonja!<br>
><br>
> Thanks for your thoughts. It's really important to the group that<br>
> all humans feel like there is a good level of safety in the space.<br>
><br>
><br>
> :D<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:25 PM, Marina Kukso<br>
</div><div>> <<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:marina.kukso@gmail.com" target="_blank">marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> welcome sonja!<br>
><br>
><br>
> +a million to jordan's email.<br>
><br>
> - marina<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 12:24 PM, Sonja Trauss<br>
</div><div>> <<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi I'm totally new here and I don't know any of you. I live in west<br>
> Oakland but I belong to Noisebridge! Absurd. I agree with an<br>
> earlier poster that it is valuable to make members/ people work for<br>
> what they get. Not giving ppl 24 h access is as justifiable for<br>
> that reason as it is for the safety reasons. I suggest you adopt<br>
> the age-old policy of having to get a current member to recommend<br>
> you in order to be a full member (24-h access). Someone like me<br>
> could become a partial member immediately, with limited access,<br>
> and then I would have to meet some people and get one (or two, if<br>
> that's the rule) to sign off on me being a full member. It sounds<br>
> exclusive, but it's actually already how communities work.<br>
><br>
> On Apr 4, 2013 11:57 AM, "rusty lindgren" <<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a><br>
</div><div><div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com" target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hey Everyone,<br>
><br>
> Just thought I would point this out, since it came up earlier in<br>
> the dues thread. But, Marc's point(a very good marketing point<br>
> about 24/7 access), has as a big security exception, we didn't<br>
> really talk about, probably mostly because of time.<br>
><br>
> Basically, it's easy for us to think "hey, we should let this<br>
> person have access, because they seem cool, and we want to remain<br>
> open," but even I get sketched out at night sometimes, and there<br>
> are real safety issues at work here, and we should discuss them in<br>
> relation to cost/benefits for the space. It's also entirely<br>
> possible that we trust someone, and they just do something bad<br>
> anyway. We don't really spend a lot of time thinking about this,<br>
> but this is something we haven't had to really deal with yet,<br>
> because we've had really shitty access up until now.<br>
><br>
> I don't know if my survey asked this question properly, but I was<br>
> trying to see if 24/7 access was worth more to people as a value,<br>
> but I think for some people it could be a safety draw-back, and at<br>
> least in 1 case this is true. I also am not sure it's really<br>
> something we should be promoting, if we do decide on it being okay<br>
> for members to do.<br>
><br>
> If anyone wants to post about how they feel about this(I think it<br>
> really is about feelings in this case, because it's about promoting<br>
> membership and establishing wants/needs), then please feel free to<br>
> reply here.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
</div></div>> Rusty **<br>
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