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I'll eagerly support any proposal that entails a reasonable trust
mechanism for giving new members a keycard, and there have been a
lot of good ideas on the list today. <br>
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Here's something personal about why I don't want an "easy"
keycard/door policy or the door pegged open at all hours. I didn't
have time or headspace to get into this when I wrote to the list on
Thursday morning as I was about to run off to a client's site for
the day.<br>
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Some friends of mine had a recording studio in West Berkeley and
they usually kept the door open. One day a guy barged in with a gun
and grabbed one of my friends and told him _drive me where I tell
you._ A half hour later that felt like eternity the guy got out of
my friend's car and ran off. My friend wasn't harmed physically but
the guy could have shot and killed him if he wanted to. <br>
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The last studio I worked in professionally was in Richmond, and had
an open access policy for anyone who said they wanted to do a
project. One day someone called up, talked about doing an album,
and then came over. The guy and his pals had guns and they
literally rolled up the owner of the studio in a rug while they
cleaned out the equipment racks and the mic cabinet. The owner shut
the place down the next day. That place had major history in the
Bay Area music scene, but that was the E-N-D of that.<br>
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Badguys getting into creative spaces? It happened twice to people I
knew, it can happen to us. That's why I said I'll hard-block "sign
up now, get your cardkey now," but I'll support just about anything
that involves a reasonable trust mechanism.<br>
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Anything that involves having existing members vouch for new members
is especially good, because it entails creating bonds of trust. It
also entails existing members staking their reputations on their
recommendations. <br>
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I'd prefer any proposal that's "more than one person but less than a
majority vote of the whole" vouching for a new member, because: Two
or more people vouching for a new member is a good idea: they'll
have a discussion between themselves, so all the good points and
not-so-good points will come out. But if a large-group vote is
required that's not as good because reduces the element of personal
trust/relationship and reputation involved. <br>
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And of course all members, even the one who just signed up five
minutes ago, should be able to come and go any time someone with a
key is in the space. They can push the door intercom button to get
let in.<br>
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The point that we've got a hackable door-contraption right now, with
means-of-access posted to a public website, so therefore we should
have an "easy" cardkey policy, doesn't move me, not even a
millimeter. The contraption will eventually be upgraded to use
card-keys and then presumably there won't be a way to get in that's
posted on a public website. I've refrained from meowing about the
current situation with the door, because I've seen it as a
"work-in-progress" that's not going to remain that way for too much
longer. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-04-04-Thu 4:38 PM, Marina Kukso
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">+a milllioonnnnn to Andrew.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Andrew
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi All,
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<div>I will continue to grant access to anyone who asks
within reason, especially if they ask in person. Our
real problem right now is getting more people in to the
space and not keeping people out. In accordance with the
value of "<font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span
style="line-height:19.1875px">solving real problems
over hypotheticals, while respecting visions of the
future", we should be focusing on giving access to
as many people as possible (who want it) using basic
common sense when distributing access.</span></font></div>
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style="line-height:19.1875px;font-size:13px;font-family:sans-serif"><br>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span
style="line-height:19.1875px">I understand that
there is a real problem of people
feeling uncomfortable at night at the space. Filling
the space with more people and figuring out how to
make our access system work to the point that we
never have to prop open the door are real solutions
for this. Those solutions are what I am personally
focused on.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span
style="line-height:19.1875px"><br>
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<div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span
style="line-height:19.1875px">Thanks,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000000" face="sans-serif"><span
style="line-height:19.1875px">Andrew (Sudo Keymaster
#1)</span></font></div>
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