<div dir="ltr">hi george,<div><br></div><div style>i'm very sorry that you feel that you did not consent to having this information public. this list has been publicly archived since it began and i think that we've tried to make that clear (although it seems that we may need to be doing a better job!).</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>unfortunately i'm not sure to what extent the "welcome to sudo-discuss list" email that new list members receive includes information about content being publicly archived (could someone help with this?), but perhaps we may need to make this more explicit in that letter.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>for additional background on why we made the decision to publicly archive contents, the idea is not necessarily to promote "transparency and openness" as a matter of principle only, but because part of what we wanted to do with sudo room is to make our history as easy for others to use as possible so that others who are starting and running hackerspaces can learn from our experience and discussion. in other words, to facilitate ctrl-c/ctrl-v of hackerspaces around the world.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>- marina</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 10:29 AM, Georgio510 <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:anon195714@sbcglobal.net" target="_blank">anon195714@sbcglobal.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Right, and when you slip LSD into the fruit punch at a party and
don't tell anyone, do you justify that by saying you're trying to
encourage enlightenment? Who needs informed consent anyway,
right? Hey, who needs consent of any kind? <br>
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Sorry yo, that don't go. It's NON CONSENSUAL, like seducing someone
and failing to disclose to them that you have STDs. It's a
trust-break in a big way. <br>
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I'm asserting my right to put this on the meeting agenda for next
Wednesday, and pull in any record of anything I signed that
contained TOS. <br>
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Let me be really clear about this: I'm as serious as a fucking
heart attack about this, and anyone who thinks it's a joke is
fucking sick. <br>
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This "open and transparent" stuff is starting to become a chant fit
for a cult, that short-circuits reason and critical thinking. In
reality it's a house of one-way mirrors foisted by the powerful on
the masses to enable "prediction and control" down to the level of
the individual.<br>
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Enough was enough long ago, just like muggings and the rest of it. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div>On 13-04-11-Thu 10:07 AM,
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<span style="font-family:Arial">We set the list up to be public
in an effort to remain as transparent and open as possible. This
is a blessing and a burden. We should be mindful of the scope of
our language and interested in maintaining private conversation
off the list.<br>
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Additionally, if you seek a lot of privacy, I don't recommend
communicating over the internet if it can be helped.<br>
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// Matt<br>
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From: "Tracy Jacobs" <a href="mailto:kinetical@comcast.net" target="_blank"><kinetical@comcast.net></a><br>
To: "Romy Ilano" <a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank"><romy@snowyla.com></a><br>
Cc: "sudo-discuss" <a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank"><sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org></a><br>
Subject: [sudo-discuss] Michael Orange - film events - Battle
for Brooklyn - any sudo members interested in an intro?<br>
Date: Thu, Apr 11, 2013 9:54 AM<br>
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Sudoers,
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<div>Why does our discussion list have to be published on the
internet? I don't personally want it to be that public. Who
decided it should be done that way, and is there another option?
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<div>Tracy<br>
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<div>On Apr 10, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Romy Ilano <<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey here is one of the film events that
Michael Orange from top 10 social is presenting.
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<div><a href="https://www.facebook.com/events/563556023675662/?notif_t=plan_user_invited" target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/events/563556023675662/?notif_t=plan_user_invited</a><br>
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<div>Michael's also working with the Oakland
Library as well,so I'll mention the history wki people
from sudoroom are there!</div>
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<div>this probably isn't necessary for anyone
here... but in case one or two people gets the
temptation:</div>
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<div>-- Michael Orange is an all around good
guy--please treat him well, minimize over the top
business plans, "industry type behavior", and approach
him as you would a family member. If we talk to him
the wrong way it will be a smear on my reputation and
his opinion matters a lot to me. =D</div>
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