<div dir="ltr"><div style>TL;DR -- please don't try to solve reticence to attend meetings with more meetings of any kind.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>Introverts have limited social energy, and if they have spent any time thinking about this, they will realize that it has to be metered carefully. <div>
<br></div><div><a href="http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/extravert-and-introvert.asp">http://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/extravert-and-introvert.asp</a><br><div>
<br></div><div>Extroverts tend to feel that more social time is always justified, which is why meetings tend to expand in all situations where extroverts outnumber introverts -- which is basically most of the time in an organizational setting... except perhaps in libraries and hackerspaces :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>The greater the number of extroverts, the more the extroverts socialize and feel that this time is productive, which creates more demand for more meetings, which makes the introverts feel unproductive and marginalized.<div>
<br></div><div>Corporations tend to have a disproportionate number of ESTJs (extroverted-sensing-thinking-judging) types. This was covered in a paper circa 1999 (I need to find it again, I wrote a paper referencing it), wherein they found that as corporations grow from small to medium to large, the diversity of personality types dramatically decreases, especially in positions of power. Specifically (with arrows indicating greater weight towards a skewed ratio):</div>
<div><br></div><div>E/I -->> E</div><div>S/N --> S<br><div style>T/F --> T</div><div style>J/P -->> J</div><div style><br></div><div style>There are of course problems with the MBTI, well-discussed in an episode of Rationally Speaking a few months back, and also some covered on this page (which is also a podcast):</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><a href="http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221">http://skeptoid.com/episodes/4221</a><br></div><div style><br></div><div style>...but even if it lacks predictive power, its use as a descriptive tool to look at broad patterns is still somewhat respectable.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>I think it's interesting that the "managerial type", ESTJ, appears consistent at least across American and Chinese cultures, which helps address the "isn't this Western-cultural specific" complaint:</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><a href="https://www.capt.org/JPT/article/JPT_Vol69_1209.pdf">https://www.capt.org/JPT/article/JPT_Vol69_1209.pdf</a><br></div><div style><br></div><div>Introverts also tend not to speak up in opposition to what extroverts are doing, for obvious reasons. They prefer to withdraw and spend time on things that recharge their social energy.<br>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div style>The point:</div><div style><br></div><div style>* Extroverts feel energized from social encounters and want more of them; introverts feel drained by social encounters and try to avoid them.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>* Extroverts tend to "select" other extroverts for participation, believing they are just better team players.</div><div style><br></div><div style>* Introverts tend to be penalized for their unwillingness to participate in social encounters, leading to a more skewed proportion of extroverts to introverts as introverts become marginalized.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style><br></div><div style>Conclusion:</div><div style><br></div><div style>* You can't solve meeting reticence with more meetings.</div><div style><br></div><div style>--Naomi, the "I can pretend to be an extrovert sometimes" introvert, INTP</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 1:43 AM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yeah, I have to say that I enjoy the recent meetings too. they're getting more creative, people are eating more... <div>
<br></div><div>i brought up considering an introverted person focus / working meeting as I was hearing people saying they weren't that into it, it's important to listen! as many things get done during meetings.</div>
<div><br></div><div>meetings serve people who are extroverts (like me), who like to talk and socialize a lot with many new faces... </div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:19 PM, Ryan Bethencourt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com" target="_blank">ryan.bethencourt@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I do like the format of one general meeting a month (to discuss all sudo room goings on) and then the other three meetings can be working/learning meetings. Maybe with a 15-30 min talk of something of interest so that we're all learning and sharing.<div>
<br></div><div>Patrik suggested the split between general meeting and working meeting and it's helped us to slice up our time a little bit better to dive into different topics/subjects. I have really enjoyed Sudo rooms recent experiments with meeting formats though (I'm finding them more interesting and more valuable personally).</div>
<div><br></div><div>R</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Naomi Most <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">You still need to define "working on what", otherwise you end up having to waste a lot of time defining that in the moment.<div>
<br></div>General meetings still need structure, otherwise people lose sight of them having any purpose and they tend to expand in scope and time length geometrically.<span></span><div>
<br></div><div>I still think sudo room would do fine simply splitting out Bureaucracy and the current general meeting, which actually runs quite well most of the time.<div><div><br><div><br><br>On Thursday, April 25, 2013, Anthony Di Franco wrote:<br>
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That's a great idea.<br>Or, just separate the weekly meeting into general and working time blocks so people can come to whichever they would like.<br>
</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Patrik D'haeseleer <span dir="ltr"><<a>patrikd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Marina Kukso <span dir="ltr"><<a>marina.kukso@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">for
the biohackers is a working meeting a hacking meeting or a meeting
where business relating to the functioning of the group gets done?
because if it means the latter, then our meeting is supposed to be that
:P </div>
</blockquote><div><br></div></div></div><div>Typically more of the latter,
because of the stage the bio group is at, at the moment. But as long as
we're making significant progress towards having a functioning DIYbio
lab, it's all good. <br>
<br>We also have a "general meeting" for the East Bay DIYbio group
(every last friday - coming up tomorrow!) that is more about making
introductions, exchanging cool ideas, socializing, etc. Which is also
essential for building a community, but if we only have that kind of
meetings, we'd never get any of the boring logistics done. <br>
<br></div><div>"General meeting" and "working meeting" is just what I've
started calling them, and nobody has called me on it yet ;-) For the
first "working meeting", we set it up over email among some of the key
members, because we wanted it small and focused enough to actually get
anything done. But I think as long as we advertize that this is a
*working* meeting, and that people will be expected to contribute and
get something done, they will automatically self-select accordingly.<br>
<br></div>Maybe sudoroom needs a separate "general meeting" that is
more free-form, and not focused on rules issues etc? Heck, I might even
come to those! ;-)<span><font color="#888888"><br><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">Patrik</font></span></div>
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