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    Yo's-<br>
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    None the less, useful to explore. <br>
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    As I understand the history of this:  <br>
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    The word "savage" is the English adaptation of the French word
    "sauvage" that originally meant "forest-dweller."  At the time of
    early European settlement in North America, the practice in Europe
    was that only members of the nobility had the privilege of hunting
    in the forests: "commoners" (that would be us) were forbidden from
    doing so, often under penalty of death. <br>
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    The Europeans who settled in North America were highly surprised to
    see that no such restriction existed among the Native peoples: any
    and all tribe members hunted freely in the woods.  <br>
    <br>
    The phrase "noble savage" originally referred to this: the idea that
    ordinary tribe members had what in Europe was a special privilege of
    the nobility, the freedom to hunt in the woods.  The European
    settlers envied the First Nations peoples for having a privilege
    that they themselves did not have.<br>
    <br>
    The dynamic is quite real to this day, of city-dwellers' envy of
    rural peoples, and industrial-culture peoples' envy of
    hunter-gatherer peoples.  It's a generalization of "the grass is
    always greener in the other person's yard."  It works both ways:
    every axis of contrast between someone's own circumstances and
    someone else's circumstances can become grounds for comparisons that
    may risk turning invidious in some way.  And once that process gets
    started, it opens the door to all manner of psychodynamic smog.  <br>
    <br>
    So about "killing it":<br>
    <br>
    Seems to me that if we're concerned about (whatever issue), and we
    run across examples that may be entangled with
    racial/ethnic/religious/gender/etc. issues, the best thing to do is
    to stick to examples that come squarely from within our own
    subculture.  <br>
    <br>
    And what's the most frequent example of embedded violent language in
    geek/nerd/maker/hacker culture? <br>
    <br>
    How'bout "killer app"?  Let's start with that one. <br>
    <br>
    -G.<br>
    <br>
    (Back under the correct address now; thanks to all who helped fix
    that.)<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-05-03-Fri 3:18 PM, Anthony Di
      Franco wrote:<br>
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        <div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial
          narrow,sans-serif">No worries. My response was a rhetorical
          answer.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva
          <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dont
            worry, that was really just a rhetorical question.
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              On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:<br>
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              Of course.
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                On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva <<a
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                  target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a> <mailto:<a
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                  target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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                    Did you actually just say this in public?<br>
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                <br>
                    On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:<br>
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                        Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the
                things it sets itself<br>
                        apart from and gives up and projects on its
                image of the noble savage<br>
                        though?<br>
                <br>
                        Your description seems more like meditatively
                flowing through it.<br>
                <br>
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                        On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 2:58 PM, netdiva <<a
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                        <mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                        Here I was thinking "killing it" was just
                another example of<br>
                        appropriation of african american vernacular by
                the mainstream.<br>
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                        On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote:<br>
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                        "killing it" is a recently popular term to
                denote excellence and<br>
                        immense progress. it has a violent, forceful
                connotation.<br>
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                        friends in the circus community - through
                empirical evidence - have<br>
                        established a belief that operating at the
                highest levels of talent<br>
                        requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus,
                a better term, which<br>
                        they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling
                it."<br>
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                        thought sudoers would appreciate this.<br>
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                        cuddling it,<br>
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                        -- len<br>
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