<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">Allow me to provide a walkthrough then.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">To be civilized is, here, to be part of a settled society with an elite that controls distribution of resources, social standing, and everything else it can, and therefore to give up one's own capacity to provide for oneself among peers those things, which includes giving up the use of violence to a caste approved by the elite to use violence only for ends compatible with its own. It can be contrasted with different flavors of being a barbarian, and my favorite way of doing this is Venkat Rao's <a href="http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2011/03/10/the-return-of-the-barbarian/">here</a>, which among many other things sheds some light on the broader significance of the rise of hackerspaces, I think.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_savage">wikipedia</a>, "The term <b>noble savage</b> (French, <i>bon sauvage</i>) expresses the concept of an idealized indigene, outsider, or "<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other" title="Other">other</a>" and refers to the literary <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stock_character" title="Stock character">stock character</a>."<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">As lamented by <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C99iG4HoO1c">Common in I Used to Love H.E.R</a>, playing to the not-so-noble-savage character of the violent, misogynist gangster to win the patronage of both elites psychologically craving a shadow other to project their own sins onto, and to subclasses craving the free exercise of their natural powers that they have given up in the process of becoming civilized that is perversely represented by the symbol of elite power and privilege projected onto the noble savage, is a key part of the story of the co-optation of hip-hop culture into the mainstream.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial narrow,sans-serif">So, of course, I have no reservations about saying such a thing in public.<br></div><div style="text-decoration:none" id="presBubble"></div><div style="text-decoration:none" id="presBubble">
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</div><div style="text-decoration:none" id="presBubble"></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:22 PM, netdiva <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Not rhetorical enough, but I'll leave this here for now.<div class="im"><br>
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On 5/3/2013 3:18 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:<br>
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No worries. My response was a rhetorical answer.<br>
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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:16 PM, netdiva <<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Dont worry, that was really just a rhetorical question.<br>
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On 5/3/2013 3:11 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:<br>
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Of course.<br>
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On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 3:08 PM, netdiva <<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:netdiva@sonic.net" target="_blank">netdiva@sonic.net</a>>>> wrote:<br>
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  Did you actually just say this in public?<br>
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  On 5/3/2013 3:04 PM, Anthony Di Franco wrote:<br>
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    Doesn't the civilized psyche secretly crave the things it sets itself<br>
    apart from and gives up and projects on its image of the noble savage<br>
    though?<br>
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    Your description seems more like meditatively flowing through it.<br>
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    Here I was thinking "killing it" was just another example of<br>
    appropriation of african american vernacular by the mainstream.<br>
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    On 5/3/2013 2:46 PM, Leonid Kozhukh wrote:<br>
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    "killing it" is a recently popular term to denote excellence and<br>
    immense progress. it has a violent, forceful connotation.<br>
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    friends in the circus community - through empirical evidence - have<br>
    established a belief that operating at the highest levels of talent<br>
    requires mindfulness, awareness, and calm. thus, a better term, which<br>
    they have started to playfully use, is "cuddling it."<br>
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    thought sudoers would appreciate this.<br>
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    cuddling it,<br>
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    -- len<br>
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    founder, ligertail <a href="http://ligertail.com" target="_blank">http://ligertail.com</a><br>
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