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Andrew, Sonja, and Yo's-<br>
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With or without the wank factor, consenting adult porn is a
legitimate expression of erotic and sexual feelings in the arts and
literature. <br>
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There's something to be said for having more erotica and sexuality,
and less violence, in the media. Speaking of things that would
generate major cultural change, keyword search "Prescott" +
"violence" for details ("Body pleasure and the origins of violence",
widely available online).<br>
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And there's something to be said for not indulging in the
puritanical bad habit of looking down on a harmless form of
recreation that's more popular in the world than baseball and soccer
together.<br>
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-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-05-04-Sat 7:55 PM, Andrew wrote:<br>
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<p>There are ofcourse other reasons for porn. Just pointing out a
major one.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:53 PM, "Andrew" <<a
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<p>People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while
masturbating. Masturbating being a natural part of life. I
also dont think that all people who can have sex with
others, but don't , are doing so because they don't have the
"skills"</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja
Trauss" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>Or less representation of sex altogether. What does
anyone need porn for?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p>When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made
it a point to balence genders as much as possible.
We had male and female co-hosts and male and female
strippers.</p>
<p>Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are
more than two genders. In my mind objectification is
not the issue. Representation is. Porn is mostly
filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and
because of that, taken as a whole, is exploitive.
There is porn that fights this perspective and
representation of sex and there needs to be more.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM,
"Sonja Trauss" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com"
target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>>
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<p>Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM,
"GtwoG PublicOhOne" <<a
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Romy & Yo's-<br>
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Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."<br>
<br>
Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I never
noticed that before (OTOH<br>
attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally
don't get my attention),<br>
but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that
somewhere.<br>
<br>
I agree, a torso minus a face is
depersonalizing and objectifying as<br>
hell, unless there's a very good reason for
taking a photo that way<br>
(e.g. medical contexts). Being looked at
"that way" produces the creepy<br>
feeling that the looker's intentions are
non-consensual.<br>
<br>
The only borderline-legit reason I could see
for doing it in clothing<br>
ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself
wearing this, and we don't want<br>
to risk putting you off by showing a face
that's substantially different<br>
to yours, so imagine your face on this
person's body." But it would be<br>
foolish to think that's what's intended every
time that photographic<br>
method is used.<br>
<br>
This brings up the question of what people
find sexy in photography.<br>
For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a
non-starter: there's no cue<br>
for communication with the person. Nudes in
general don't do it either:<br>
all the usual contextual cues as to someone's
personality are missing,<br>
so why would I even begin to imagine being in
an intimate context with<br>
someone I don't really know? I've always felt
that way but now we have<br>
the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general
it's not a good idea to get<br>
intimate with someone you don't know very
well, because the outcome<br>
could be a life-threatening illness.<br>
<br>
For that matter, now that
massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in<br>
the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than
HIV and can kill you in a<br>
matter of days through a raging bacterial
infection, it's probably a<br>
darn good idea for everyone to "get smart
& play safe" ALL the time,<br>
zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.
In which case photography<br>
that portrays an objectified sexuality without
communications isn't just<br>
gross and exploitative, it's a public health
hazard that reinforces<br>
attitudes that put people at risk for their
lives.<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:<br>
> It's interesting to me how porn a<br>
> Nd erotica always advertise with women's
bodies with their faces cut off<br>
> American apparel digs this etc<br>
> Lots of art theory discusses this<br>
><br>
> I would love for any Sudo room event to
break the mold and show men's bodies in any
erotic theme as well ... Also would love to
see the male body as the focus of any erotic
film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and
unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the
porn industry<br>
><br>
> Sent from my iPad<br>
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