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    Andrew, Sonja, and Yo's-<br>
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    With or without the wank factor, consenting adult porn is a
    legitimate expression of erotic and sexual feelings in the arts and
    literature.  <br>
    <br>
    There's something to be said for having more erotica and sexuality,
    and less violence, in the media.  Speaking of things that would
    generate major cultural change, keyword search "Prescott" +
    "violence" for details ("Body pleasure and the origins of violence",
    widely available online).<br>
    <br>
    And there's something to be said for not indulging in the
    puritanical bad habit of looking down on a harmless form of
    recreation that's more popular in the world than baseball and soccer
    together.<br>
    <br>
    -G.<br>
    <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-05-04-Sat 7:55 PM, Andrew wrote:<br>
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      <p>There are ofcourse other reasons for porn. Just pointing out a
        major one.</p>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:53 PM, "Andrew" <<a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>>
        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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          <p>People want porn for somthing easy to focus on while
            masturbating. Masturbating being a natural part of life. I
            also dont think that all people who can have sex with
            others, but don't , are doing so because they don't have the
            "skills"</p>
          <div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:20 PM, "Sonja
            Trauss" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>>
            wrote:<br type="attribution">
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              <p>Or less representation of sex altogether. What does
                anyone need porn for?</p>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew"
                <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:andrew@vagabondballroom.com"
                  target="_blank">andrew@vagabondballroom.com</a>>
                wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                  <p>When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made
                    it a point to balence genders as much as possible.
                    We had male and female co-hosts and male and female
                    strippers.</p>
                  <p>Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are
                    more than two genders. In my mind objectification is
                    not the issue. Representation is. Porn is mostly
                    filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and
                    because of that, taken as a whole, is exploitive.
                    There is porn that fights this perspective and
                    representation of sex and there needs to be more.</p>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM,
                    "Sonja Trauss" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com"
                      target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>>
                    wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                      <p>Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?</p>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM,
                        "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net"
                          target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>>
                        wrote:<br type="attribution">
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                          Romy & Yo's-<br>
                          <br>
                          Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."<br>
                          <br>
                          Wow.  Thanks for pointing that out.  I never
                          noticed that before (OTOH<br>
                          attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally
                          don't get my attention),<br>
                          but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that
                          somewhere.<br>
                          <br>
                          I agree, a torso minus a face is
                          depersonalizing and objectifying as<br>
                          hell, unless there's a very good reason for
                          taking a photo that way<br>
                          (e.g. medical contexts).  Being looked at
                          "that way" produces the creepy<br>
                          feeling that the looker's intentions are
                          non-consensual.<br>
                          <br>
                          The only borderline-legit reason I could see
                          for doing it in clothing<br>
                          ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself
                          wearing this, and we don't want<br>
                          to risk putting you off by showing a face
                          that's substantially different<br>
                          to yours, so imagine your face on this
                          person's body."  But it would be<br>
                          foolish to think that's what's intended every
                          time that photographic<br>
                          method is used.<br>
                          <br>
                          This brings up the question of what people
                          find sexy in photography.<br>
                          For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a
                          non-starter: there's no cue<br>
                          for communication with the person.  Nudes in
                          general don't do it either:<br>
                          all the usual contextual cues as to someone's
                          personality are missing,<br>
                          so why would I even begin to imagine being in
                          an intimate context with<br>
                          someone I don't really know?  I've always felt
                          that way but now we have<br>
                          the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general
                          it's not a good idea to get<br>
                          intimate with someone you don't know very
                          well, because the outcome<br>
                          could be a life-threatening illness.<br>
                          <br>
                          For that matter, now that
                          massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in<br>
                          the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than
                          HIV and can kill you in a<br>
                          matter of days through a raging bacterial
                          infection, it's probably a<br>
                          darn good idea for everyone to "get smart
                          & play safe" ALL the time,<br>
                          zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV.
                           In which case photography<br>
                          that portrays an objectified sexuality without
                          communications isn't just<br>
                          gross and exploitative, it's a public health
                          hazard that reinforces<br>
                          attitudes that put people at risk for their
                          lives.<br>
                          <br>
                          -G.<br>
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                          On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:<br>
                          > It's interesting to me how porn a<br>
                          > Nd erotica always advertise with women's
                          bodies with their faces cut off<br>
                          > American apparel digs this etc<br>
                          > Lots of art theory discusses this<br>
                          ><br>
                          > I would love for any Sudo room event to
                          break the mold and show men's bodies in any
                          erotic theme as well ... Also would love to
                          see the male body as the focus of any erotic
                          film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and
                          unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the
                          porn industry<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Sent from my iPad<br>
                          >
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