<p dir="ltr">Let's start a cuddle porn company. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 8:38 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net">g2g-public01@att.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Romy & Yo's-<br>
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For me, a picture of two guys holding hands is sexy, but a picture
of two guys smooching it up is, ...naah, too overdone. It's all
about leaving 98% to the imagination. Though, the usual advertising
context of "affluently surrounded by expensive lifestyle" is a
turn-off either way. <br>
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Re. Tom Cruise: Scientology meets pedophilia and flirts with the
incest taboo! (Even if they're legal adults, "half his age" still
suggests two obvious forms of something less than consensual.)
Sorry to hear you were subjected to that on a date.<br>
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There's something to be said for Soviet Realism style erotica (and I
say this with tongue only half-way in cheek). A gal in a tight
sweater sitting at the controls of a gleaming new tractor! A guy in
factory overalls holding a spanner at a suggestive angle! Each with
their bookbag near at hand, a volume with a red cover peeking out
from under the flap! In a very real way these images are more
empowering than the current popular images of idle consumers: they
were first and foremost _workers_, whose masculine and feminine
strengths stood with their roles as producers. <br>
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Though also in a very real way, they were subject to a kind of
exploitation that, if anything, was more naked and raw (though by no
means in an erotic way) than what we face today. The Party gave
orders, Google and Facebook merely give "suggestions." The KGB
installed secret surveillance devices, today people eagerly buy them
as trendy conveniences and carry them everywhere. The fact that
people comply with the "suggestions" in so many subtle ways, and
happily pay a monthly fee to be spied upon, only shows that the
velvet glove does wonders for the powers of the iron fist. And iron
fists, with or without velvet gloves, definitely aren't sexy.<br>
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-G.<br>
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<div>On 13-05-04-Sat 6:55 PM, Romy Ilano
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<div>yeah, what can we do to get any erotic event
balanced, so that 50% of the content shows half-naked men,
stuff that would appeal to straight women and homosexual men? </div>
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Why does porn/ erotic material always have to show the naked
female body? to me, as an artist who has drawn the nude form
and has worked in business selling a lot of content from porn
industry companies exploiting women (even Vivid) ... women's
bodies are so boring, so played out and uninteresting. </div>
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<div>Depicting men's bodies is much more edgy,
subversive and fun and should ideally make up 50% of the
content. </div>
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<div>+1 for safe sex!</div>
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I had to endure this godawful film with Tom Cruise as a love
interest last week to two women half his age. I wanted to
vomit halfway through the movie. And it was on a date too!
ugh! </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 6:41 PM, GtwoG
PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
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Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."<br>
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Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I never noticed that
before (OTOH<br>
attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my
attention),<br>
but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.<br>
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I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and
objectifying as<br>
hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo
that way<br>
(e.g. medical contexts). Being looked at "that way"
produces the creepy<br>
feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.<br>
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The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in
clothing<br>
ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and
we don't want<br>
to risk putting you off by showing a face that's
substantially different<br>
to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body." But
it would be<br>
foolish to think that's what's intended every time that
photographic<br>
method is used.<br>
<br>
This brings up the question of what people find sexy in
photography.<br>
For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter:
there's no cue<br>
for communication with the person. Nudes in general don't
do it either:<br>
all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality
are missing,<br>
so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate
context with<br>
someone I don't really know? I've always felt that way but
now we have<br>
the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good
idea to get<br>
intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the
outcome<br>
could be a life-threatening illness.<br>
<br>
For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea
is loose in<br>
the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can
kill you in a<br>
matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's
probably a<br>
darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe"
ALL the time,<br>
zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV. In which case
photography<br>
that portrays an objectified sexuality without
communications isn't just<br>
gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that
reinforces<br>
attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.<br>
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-G.<br>
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On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:<br>
> It's interesting to me how porn a<br>
> Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies
with their faces cut off<br>
> American apparel digs this etc<br>
> Lots of art theory discusses this<br>
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> I would love for any Sudo room event to break the
mold and show men's bodies in any erotic theme as well
... Also would love to see the male body as the focus of
any erotic film or dance to balance out the Imbalance
and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn
industry<br>
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> Sent from my iPad<br>
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