<div dir="ltr">Also. Happy National Masturbation Month <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Masturbation_Day">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Masturbation_Day</a></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:11 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">YEAH!!!!!!!!!</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p>Totally sent this from the wrong email. So bringing it back to the list. </p>
<p>I think it basically boils down to homophobia ie. "who will show up if they might see a naked man"?.... Our answer: people who truely unstand sexuality as more than just hetero men getting what they want.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:43 PM, "Romy Ilano" <<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">i've nEVER met anyone holding an erotic event who made the male and stripper female ratio equal<div><br></div><div>that is such a no-brainer to me. i don't understand why people don't do that</div>
<div><br></div><div>if businessmen go to lunch around strippers, why can't it be 50% hot male strippers and 50%hot female strippers? that would make the world so much easier to deal with.</div><div><br></div><div>you rule!</div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:31 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">andrew that last commentw as so rad! that's cool. =D<div><br></div><div>that's the kind of erotic event i'd be into<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div>---------- Forwarded message ----------<br>
From: <b class="gmail_sendername">Sonja Trauss</b> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span><br></div><div>
Date: Sat, May 4, 2013 at 7:20 PM<br>Subject: Re: [sudo-discuss] Erotica and women's bodies<br></div><div>To: Andrew <<a href="mailto:andrew@vagabondballroom.com" target="_blank">andrew@vagabondballroom.com</a>><br>
Cc: Sudo Room discuss <<a href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>><br>
<br><br></div><div><div><p>Or less representation of sex altogether. What does anyone need porn for?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 7:10 PM, "Andrew" <<a href="mailto:andrew@vagabondballroom.com" target="_blank">andrew@vagabondballroom.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>When i ran an erotic event in oakland our crew made it a point to balence genders as much as possible. We had male and female co-hosts and male and female strippers.</p>
<p>Also. Somthing to keep in mind is that there are more than two genders. In my mind objectification is not the issue. Representation is. Porn is mostly filmed from a hetero-cis-male perspective and because of that, taken as a whole, is exploitive. There is porn that fights this perspective and representation of sex and there needs to be more.</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 6:55 PM, "Sonja Trauss" <<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Can I get a link for this gonorreah story?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 4, 2013 6:42 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Romy & Yo's-<br>
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Re. "womens' bodies with their faces cut off."<br>
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Wow. Thanks for pointing that out. I never noticed that before (OTOH<br>
attempts to do "sexy" in advertising generally don't get my attention),<br>
but I vaguely recall seeing ads like that somewhere.<br>
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I agree, a torso minus a face is depersonalizing and objectifying as<br>
hell, unless there's a very good reason for taking a photo that way<br>
(e.g. medical contexts). Being looked at "that way" produces the creepy<br>
feeling that the looker's intentions are non-consensual.<br>
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The only borderline-legit reason I could see for doing it in clothing<br>
ads is, "we want you to imagine yourself wearing this, and we don't want<br>
to risk putting you off by showing a face that's substantially different<br>
to yours, so imagine your face on this person's body." But it would be<br>
foolish to think that's what's intended every time that photographic<br>
method is used.<br>
<br>
This brings up the question of what people find sexy in photography.<br>
For me (gay male), a photo minus a face is a non-starter: there's no cue<br>
for communication with the person. Nudes in general don't do it either:<br>
all the usual contextual cues as to someone's personality are missing,<br>
so why would I even begin to imagine being in an intimate context with<br>
someone I don't really know? I've always felt that way but now we have<br>
the HIV pandemic to reinforce it: in general it's not a good idea to get<br>
intimate with someone you don't know very well, because the outcome<br>
could be a life-threatening illness.<br>
<br>
For that matter, now that massively-drug-resistant gonorrhea is loose in<br>
the USA, which is hella' easier to catch than HIV and can kill you in a<br>
matter of days through a raging bacterial infection, it's probably a<br>
darn good idea for everyone to "get smart & play safe" ALL the time,<br>
zero exceptions, even more so than with HIV. In which case photography<br>
that portrays an objectified sexuality without communications isn't just<br>
gross and exploitative, it's a public health hazard that reinforces<br>
attitudes that put people at risk for their lives.<br>
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-G.<br>
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On 13-05-04-Sat 10:34 AM, Romy Snowyla wrote:<br>
> It's interesting to me how porn a<br>
> Nd erotica always advertise with women's bodies with their faces cut off<br>
> American apparel digs this etc<br>
> Lots of art theory discusses this<br>
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> I would love for any Sudo room event to break the mold and show men's bodies in any erotic theme as well ... Also would love to see the male body as the focus of any erotic film or dance to balance out the Imbalance and unnatural obsession with t and a we see on the porn industry<br>
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