<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif">We should be clear that the part of our collective memory that is made publicly searchable by Google et. al. is only a slice of the feast on Big Brother's cannibal menu:</div>
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<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">CLEMENTE: "No, <em style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation.</em> It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.</p><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">
CLEMENTE: "No, <em style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not</em>."</p>
</blockquote><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px;line-height:18px;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak"</p>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Rabbit & Yo's-<br>
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Here's another vote for "yes we should have a list that's not
indexed by Google." <br>
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Given the choice between posting to a list that's a direct
surveillance-feed and one that isn't, many of us will take our
discussion to the latter. (Would you rather cuddle with your
friends under a surveillance camera, or under a tree?)<br>
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But let's not call it "ephemeral," because that word, in this
context, is a white flag of surrender. It's surrender to the idea
that Google is the one and only keeper of cultural memory, and
anything else is merely transient. It's surrender to corporate
power and the control state. <br>
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We should assert the right to our own collective memory, stored on
our own devices, accessible to our own community. The place for the
kind of broadcast that becomes an appetizer on Big Brother's
cannibal menu, is when the broadcast is something that'll give Big
Brother indigestion. <br>
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Let Google eat our manifestos, proclamations, and press releases.
But not our soul-searches, our occasional bickering, our existential
angst, or our vulnerable self-revealing philosophizing about sex,
religion, and the meaning of life. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div>Just a reminder that the archives of this list are
indexed by Google.<br>
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<div>(For this reason I'm keeping pretty quiet here.
Would anyone else like to have a list which is not indexed?
How about "sudo-ephemeral"?)<br>
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