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Anthony & Yo's-<br>
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Big Brother's cannibal menu is large, so there's no shortage of
places to remove ourselves from it. Whether or not it's possible to
remove ourselves from all of it at once, isn't a good reason to
declare pre-emptive surrender and give up all hope and all
resistance.<br>
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The FBI can prosecute you for crimes, but you can cross-examine them
in court, in front of a jury. But what happens when you get turned
down for a job, or an apartment, or a mortgage, or credit, because
of something in your online "profiles"? The Bradley Mannings and
Aaron Swartzes of the world are seen by many as heroes, whose
struggles become causes. But the unemployed and homeless of the
world are seen as "losers," whose struggles are attributed to their
own personal failings rather than the logical result of the
oppressive grinding of the gears of oligarchy.<br>
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More and more, employment applications and even credit applications
are decided on the basis of "profiles," aka dossiers, that the
privatized control-state collects on each and every one of us with
our every mouse-click and typed word. <br>
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Which consequence is more likely to happen to any of us or anyone
else we know? That they'll become a political cause? or that
they'll become an economic casualty? How many people have been
dragged off to Gitmo, vs. how many have been fired and foreclosed or
evicted? <br>
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The fear of Gitmo is like the fear of being in an airplane crash: a
horror to be sure, but a highly unlikely event. But the fear of
unemployment and homelessness is so pervasive it's like the stink of
garbage for someone who lives next to a landfill: it's in the air we
breathe to the point where we almost don't bother commenting on it.
None the less it lingers in the background, stinking up our homes
and clothes, interfering with the taste of our food, causing a
constant low-level headache to the point where popping aspirin seems
like the normal state of affairs. <br>
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The private-sector Stasi, the private control-state, is where the
power is, and where the power is actually used, on a mass scale that
impacts millions of lives including each of our own. <br>
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As for "every telephone conversation," why do you think I'm trying
to build an alternative telco? The mason works with concrete, the
carpenter works with wood, the plumber works with water pipes, the
electrician works with wires, and the roofer works with shingles.
Each by themselves can't build the whole house, but all of them
working together, can. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-05-05-Sun 10:20 PM, Anthony Di
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial
narrow',sans-serif">We should be clear that the part of our
collective memory that is made publicly searchable by Google
et. al. is only a slice of the feast on Big Brother's cannibal
menu:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial
narrow',sans-serif"><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston</a><br>
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13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously,
there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone
companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice
mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they
actually can find out what happened, right, unless she
tells them?</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px
13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">CLEMENTE: "No, <em
style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">there is a way. We certainly have ways in
national security investigations to find out exactly
what was said in that conversation.</em> It's not
necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to
present in court, but it may help lead the investigation
and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find
that out.</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px
13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People
are saying, look, that is incredible.</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px
13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">
CLEMENTE: "No, <em
style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">welcome to America. All of that stuff is
being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it
or not</em>."</p>
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13px;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px;line-height:18px;background-repeat:no-repeat
no-repeat">"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone
conversation Americans have with one another on US soil,
with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we
speak"</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, GtwoG
PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
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Rabbit & Yo's-<br>
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Here's another vote for "yes we should have a list that's
not indexed by Google." <br>
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Given the choice between posting to a list that's a direct
surveillance-feed and one that isn't, many of us will take
our discussion to the latter. (Would you rather cuddle
with your friends under a surveillance camera, or under a
tree?)<br>
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But let's not call it "ephemeral," because that word, in
this context, is a white flag of surrender. It's
surrender to the idea that Google is the one and only
keeper of cultural memory, and anything else is merely
transient. It's surrender to corporate power and the
control state. <br>
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We should assert the right to our own collective memory,
stored on our own devices, accessible to our own
community. The place for the kind of broadcast that
becomes an appetizer on Big Brother's cannibal menu, is
when the broadcast is something that'll give Big Brother
indigestion. <br>
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Let Google eat our manifestos, proclamations, and press
releases. But not our soul-searches, our occasional
bickering, our existential angst, or our vulnerable
self-revealing philosophizing about sex, religion, and the
meaning of life. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div>Just a reminder that the archives of this
list are indexed by Google.<br>
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<div>(For this reason I'm keeping pretty quiet
here. Would anyone else like to have a list
which is not indexed? How about
"sudo-ephemeral"?)<br>
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<div>-Rabbit</div>
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