<div><i>SHORT VERSION:</i></div><div><i><br></i></div><div>i expected public when i signed up and see these discussions, primarily, as a resource that will have been found to bear its sweetest fruit by virtue, yes, of it's having been mined -- but by the People who share this Lively Stage, not the Creeping, and Creepy, Evil Spy Creeps.</div>
<div><i><br></i></div><div><i>LONG VERSION:</i></div><div><br></div><div>as a child of the Early Modern period, may i show a solidarity i would not have expected, quite frankly: i am squarely on the side of make it searchable. usually i try to more fanatical about privacy as a rule, than wherever i left off, because i know more would be better. never a facebook, waiting for nym-support to click at that g-plus with <i>someone else's</i> mouse, nonetheless here i tippy-tap to gmail, as has been recently brought to my embarrassed attention.</div>
<div><br></div><div>but:</div><div><br></div><div>so much of this age is ephemeral. so much of our wisdom is going to be lost. it is frightening, really. in that way, i hope the spooks make some hard copy on acid free paper in permanent ink.... </div>
<div><br></div><div>because:</div><div><br></div><div>i have gotten such good, such wisdom and inspiration, from similar archives, when they turn up in answer to some search of mine....</div><div><br></div><div>unless there is a risk factor i am not taking seriously enough, such as, this makes it easier for my gmail to become a zombie server of 'American Idol' action figure brand sugar snacks...</div>
<div><br></div><div>i am rather fond, as well, of the public and searcheable nature of this record of our lives.</div><div><br></div><div>it is (as far as i am aware) the first such list that i have participated in in the digital world (i ran a couple of Amateur Press Associations, or APAs, back in their heyday at the dawn of the internet, that event that a before which cannot be conceived)...</div>
<div><br></div><div>not counting dumb ass go-nowhere google groups and that facebook page that is STILL stealing one of my poems. </div><div><br></div><div>but i digress. and conclude. be seeing you.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Anthony Di Franco <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:di.franco@gmail.com" target="_blank">di.franco@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif">We should be clear that the part of our collective memory that is made publicly searchable by Google et. al. is only a slice of the feast on Big Brother's cannibal menu:</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif"><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/may/04/telephone-calls-recorded-fbi-boston</a><br>
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<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">BURNETT: Tim, is there any way, obviously, there is a voice mail they can try to get the phone companies to give that up at this point. It's not a voice mail. It's just a conversation. There's no way they actually can find out what happened, right, unless she tells them?</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">CLEMENTE: "No, <em style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">there is a way. We certainly have ways in national security investigations to find out exactly what was said in that conversation.</em> It's not necessarily something that the FBI is going to want to present in court, but it may help lead the investigation and/or lead to questioning of her. We certainly can find that out.</p>
<p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">BURNETT: "So they can actually get that? People are saying, look, that is incredible.</p><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">
CLEMENTE: "No, <em style="padding:0px;margin:0px;border-collapse:collapse;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">welcome to America. All of that stuff is being captured as we speak whether we know it or like it or not</em>."</p>
</blockquote><p style="padding:0px;margin:0px 0px 13px;border-collapse:collapse;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-size:14px;line-height:18px;background-repeat:no-repeat no-repeat">"All of that stuff" - meaning every telephone conversation Americans have with one another on US soil, with or without a search warrant - "is being captured as we speak"</p>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:'arial narrow',sans-serif"><br></div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 7:06 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Rabbit & Yo's-<br>
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Here's another vote for "yes we should have a list that's not
indexed by Google." <br>
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Given the choice between posting to a list that's a direct
surveillance-feed and one that isn't, many of us will take our
discussion to the latter. (Would you rather cuddle with your
friends under a surveillance camera, or under a tree?)<br>
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But let's not call it "ephemeral," because that word, in this
context, is a white flag of surrender. It's surrender to the idea
that Google is the one and only keeper of cultural memory, and
anything else is merely transient. It's surrender to corporate
power and the control state. <br>
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We should assert the right to our own collective memory, stored on
our own devices, accessible to our own community. The place for the
kind of broadcast that becomes an appetizer on Big Brother's
cannibal menu, is when the broadcast is something that'll give Big
Brother indigestion. <br>
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Let Google eat our manifestos, proclamations, and press releases.
But not our soul-searches, our occasional bickering, our existential
angst, or our vulnerable self-revealing philosophizing about sex,
religion, and the meaning of life. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div>Just a reminder that the archives of this list are
indexed by Google.<br>
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<div>(For this reason I'm keeping pretty quiet here.
Would anyone else like to have a list which is not indexed?
How about "sudo-ephemeral"?)<br>
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<div>-Rabbit</div>
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