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This still leaves an interesting puzzle to solve: who was around
after the event, who could have contributed to the post-event mess?
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Re. "the smell of smoke," the smell of pot smoke that has been cause
of some bad relations with George, also appears to be coming from
outside the doors (not from people at SudoRoom smoking it inside).
There were people smoking pot outside on Wednesday night, the door
was pegged open, and the smoke got in and wafted upstairs as well.
There are plenty of well-lighted safe places outside to smoke
(whatever), that aren't close to the door: up or down the street a
little, across the street, and in the side street behind building.<br>
<br>
Re. telling Oakland Nights Live that we can't host their event any
more: Agreed with Max, that should be discussed & decided by
the group at a regular meeting. Does anyone want to write to them
and let them know that the email was premature and we haven't made a
group decision yet? Also if this is going to be discussed on
Wednesday night, it would be good to invite them into that
discussion. <br>
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-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-05-12-Sun 10:53 PM, rusty
lindgren wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CADf_g6n_2Ba7hFq1G3a5o=jedY86YR1vZVTBOY=M+og5ei4MFA@mail.gmail.com"
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<div>Hey Max,</div>
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Well, looks like a group fail, all the way around. My intention
wasn't to chastise and objectify that group, but make people aware
of George and that we are more "professional" or whatever term you
would like to convey rent-payers as a group.
<div>
<br>
Thanks for the kind words at the end.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>-Rusty</div>
<div><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 10:32 PM, Max
Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com" target="_blank">isalix@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I'll reply inline. <br>
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On 12 May 2013 22:10, rusty lindgren <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rustylindgren@gmail.com"
target="_blank">rustylindgren@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>Sure, no problem, </div>
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<div>Around 1:30AM:</div>
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<div>
I left at 10:45PM on Friday, and Oakland Nights
live had finished cleaning and were not in the
building any more. <br>
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<div>1. Double doors by front entrance blocked
with black furniture at around this
morning.</div>
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<div>That was not the state when I left, which was
after ONL had left. <br>
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<div>2. Pile of stuff next to vaccuum that
wasn't cleaned by the double doors.</div>
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<div>Are you talking about the entrance to Sudo? Was
it the shop vac? Because we didn't lend them our
shop vac.<br>
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<div>3. Plates and food on the ground near
sudoroom doors.</div>
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<div>That was not the state when I left, so I think
this happened post 10:30 and post-ONL.<br>
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<div>4. Bottles/Cans left out.</div>
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<div>I did not witness Bottles/Cans left in the
common room. <br>
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<div>5. Strong smell of cigarette smoke in
stairs by my office to the point of which it
smelled like an ash tray.</div>
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<div>I did witness guests of ONL smoking outside the
ground entrance doors. Probably not 25 feet away.<br>
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<div>6. Signs up everywhere downstairs still. </div>
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<div>I also noticed they didn't take down some paper
signs attached to the wall with masking tape. <br>
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<div>I snapped a few photos of some of the mess
left, even though Romy/Jordan cleaning up. </div>
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<div>I saw sudoers sitting there after ONL had left
and had cleaned the common area.<br>
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<div class="im">
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<div> Last time, George was yelling while the
same people + Matt were cleaning up. </div>
<div><br>
My intention was to point out that there have
been messes, and this was an example. I'm not
saying that nobody tried cleaning, but the
results were bad.</div>
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</div>
<div>I hear your frustration with cleanliness. I
think that some people did try cleaning, and later
the space was made more messy, so not all the mess
is attributable to any one group in specific.
Thanks for making us aware of what can be done
better, its really important we all work together
on the cleaning issue. <br>
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</div>
<div>You're all awesome and competent critical
humans (well half-human-half-sudoers).<span
class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
</font></span></div>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">
<div>Max<br>
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<div>-Rusty</div>
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<div>On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 9:56 PM,
Max Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com"
target="_blank">isalix@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>I hear Rusty's complaint of
cleanliness. and I want to
speak in defense of Oakland
Nights Live. I didn't see you at
Oakland Nights Live, so I
imagine you showed up after the
event was over? <br>
I saw them vacuum and pick up
and vacuum the common area too a
high level of cleanliness. Maybe
the front ground floor entry way
was more dirty. Rusty perhaps
you could be more specific about
what was wrong, because I have a
different understanding of their
cleaning practices. Maybe it got
dirty inbetween when you saw it
and when they cleaned it. If so
then I feel you are speculating
on where the dirtiness came
from.<br>
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<div>Jenny, . I also didn't see
you at ONL, and during the hour
following. I read that you sent
an email to Oakland Nights Live
with the phrasing "we can no
longer..." at some point. I feel
upset that you did so because I
want messages claiming to be
from sudo as "we" to be approved
by all sudoers before they're
sent. I would like to request
that you don't send messages on
behalf of sudo without consensus
in the future.<br>
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<div>Thanks,<br>
Max<br>
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