<div dir="ltr">Are you telling us that high density urban housing is not more efficient than sprawled out rural housing? Keep in mind that the vast majority of people will not be subsistence farming. Also, as it relates to the Bay, people are not going to be going back to the land because of SF rent. They will move to Walnut Creek and sit in traffic for 2 hours a day, burning gas.<div>
<br></div><div style>-Jehan</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 6:01 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<br>
Hi Jehan;-)<br>
<br>
Ahh, the good ol' city mouse vs. country mouse arguement. If we
avoid ad-homs this should be fun.<br>
<br>
First of all, a-priori generalizations are a-priori invalid.
Individual ecological impact depends on lifestyle and employment,
which vary widely for both city and country. <br>
<br>
One of the largest impacts is commuting by automobile. A country
mouse who's a telecommuter will have a zero commuting impact. A
city mouse whose workplace isn't served by public transport will
most likely end up driving to work. That comparison, in and of
itself, falsifies your generalization. <br>
<br>
Are you willing to argue publicly that all the city mice whose
places of employment aren't served by public transport, or who work
late/overnight shift and live or work in places where taking public
transport is overtly dangerous, should quit their jobs and seek
employment elsewhere? <br>
<br>
Re. smaller apartments: Can you operationalize your variables? How
small? Have you ever drawn a floorplan for one? I've drawn plenty
of floorplans, down to 160 square feet, and I'll gladly show them to
you any time we have a chance to get together. <br>
<br>
Re. highrises: Can you operationalize those variables too? How
does the water get in, how does the sewage get out, and where does
the money come from to rip & replace the existing underground
infrastructure for that purpose? And what do you do with a 10- or
20- story building full of people, after the expected 7.0+ on the
Hayward or San Andreas takes out the power grid, water mains, and
sewer mains, for a period of weeks to months? (We'll assume the
building remains standing, though that can't be taken for granted.)<br>
<br>
Also about highrises, what do the children do at playtime?, where
does the food come from to feed all those people in the high-density
highrises?, and how does the food get there? Who has ownership?
Who has control? Who makes the rules? <br>
<br>
Sweeping generalizations are easy; designing in detail and walking
the talk isn't. <br>
<br>
In the next round I'll describe what I do about water, electricity,
gasoline, and refuse.<br>
<br>
Cheers- <br>
<br>
-G.<br>
<br>
<br>
=====<div><div class="h5"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 13-06-11-Tue 9:34 AM, Jehan Tremback
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"Also
there's a difference between a 160-square-foot house you build
for yourself on land you and your friends own, and a
160-square-foot cell in an apartment complex that some
developer builds as a means of extracting more money from the
tenants."</span><br>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br>
</span></div>
<div class="gmail_extra">If you want to go out to the country
and build a house on cheap land, that's your choice. You will
be damaging the environment with your inevitable automobile
use. If you want to live in the city, as many of us do, you
will have to deal with the fact that many other people do as
well.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">There are 2 ways to get more people
onto a smaller piece of land-</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">1. Smaller apartments (I put tenants
subdividing apartments in this category as well)</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">2. Replace 1950's style suburban houses
with high rises.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">These facts are completely
independent of whatever system of government and economy.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">-Jehan<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 4:32 AM,
GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> <br>
Yes, there are a few intentional communities from the
1960s that succeeded. Twin Oaks is one. The Farm is
another. There are others, less well known.<br>
<br>
There are a bunch of books (Commitment and Community,
Builders of the Dawn, others), and there are also the
websites for the Federation of Intentional Communities,
the Federation of Egalitarian Communities, Communities
magazine, and others.<br>
<br>
Why Americans buy huge houses: "because they can."<br>
<br>
Hong Kong & Tokyo apartments are quite a bit larger
than those prison-sized apts that are being developed in
the USA now. Really: the goal isn't sustainability or
affordability, it's the 1/3 increase in rent per square
foot, compared to 1- and 2-bedroom apartments. Also
there's a difference between a 160-square-foot house you
build for yourself on land you and your friends own, and
a 160-square-foot cell in an apartment complex that some
developer builds as a means of extracting more money
from the tenants. As in, the difference between a nest
that a mouse makes for itself, and a standardized
mouse-cage in a laboratory. It's all about autonomy and
control. <br>
<br>
Solutions: that would make an interesting discussion
topic some night, and/or we could open up a thread
here. <br>
<br>
Ex-felons selling Christmas trees: Probably a carefully
self-selected group, with a common goal to avoid further
trouble with the law, and very strict internal rules.
The risk of going down the spiral back to prison is a
powerful motivator. And the difference between strict
rules by voluntary consensus, vs. strict rules by order
of the Warden, makes all the difference.<br>
<br>
I wasn't proposing absolute socialism or bust. Only
"socialism for everyone or for no-one," rather than the
status-quo of "socialism for the rich, social darwinism
for the rest of us." A little dose of socialism,
applied equally across the board, does wonders. Compare
quality of life in Northern Europe, to quality of life
here. <br>
<br>
The single largest predictor of violent social unrest,
is the disparity of income between the top and bottom in
a society. A little socialism buys a lot of peace. <br>
<br>
-G.<br>
<br>
<br>
======
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 13-06-10-Mon 11:49 PM, Romy Ilano wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div>Are there any alternative living spaces from
the 1960s that experienced success? </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Perhaps we could learn from their example.
There was a big coffee table being passed around
about communes etc three or four years ago--
forget the title </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Usually I find that people have attempted to
tackle these problems in the past. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Also from the conversation it's not
immediately clear to me what the clearest
solutions or motivations to the problems if any
would be. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>For me I don't understand why Americans have
a burning desire to buy houses too large to live
in, too expensive to buy, too costly to maintain
... The single occupancy small rooms were
derided as being anti sex??? Yet to me those are
as large as what you would find in Hong Kong or
Tokyo </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>There's the Kearny street project which sells
the Xmas trees and rehabilitates Ex felons. They
have shared living quarters along with the self
run businesses and I don't think there are
guards.. It's all regulated by the participants
. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I do not agree with the zero sum solution of
absolute socialism or bust. It's like saying
there should be no unions. It's very extreme </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>---</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Romy Ilano</div>
<div>Founder of Snowyla</div>
<div><a href="http://www.snowyla.com" target="_blank">http://www.snowyla.com</a></div>
<div><a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a></div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Jun 10, 2013, at 19:50, GtwoG PublicOhOne
<<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div> <br>
"Suddenly $5,000 is the new $3,000": Instant
viral meme, good one Andrew!<br>
<br>
And $30,000/year is the new $60,000/year,
thanks to all those H1B visas driving down
wages. <br>
<br>
This is the interesting thing about
"markets": <br>
<br>
When rents go sky-high, that's a "market" and
the plutocracy chants that the Holy Invisible
Hand should reign supreme. But when employers
can't find people who'll work on farms for
$3.00/hour, or write code for $30,000/year,
then it's time for a little socialism for the
plutocracy, by way of opening the H1B
floodgates. And that makes property owners
happy too, so it's a two-fer!<br>
<br>
"Jobs Americans won't do" is what economists
call a "price signal", which translates as
"jobs Americans won't do AT THAT PRICE." If
the plutocracy was at all consistent (ha ha
funny) they wouldn't go running for
socialistic interventions to drive down labor
costs, they'd suck it up and pay the market
price, whether that means paying farm workers
$15/hour, or paying coders $60,000/year. <br>
<br>
There's a reason it's more difficult to get
into DSNY (Department of Sanitation, City of
New York) than it is to get into Yale. It's
spelled U-N-I-O-N.<br>
<br>
Socialism for all, or socialism for none!<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
<br>
<br>
=====<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 13-06-10-Mon 4:59 PM, Andrew wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">Lets be clear that no one is
arguing there should be less housing in
SF. The argument is that current housing
in SF is too expensive and vacant. There
isn't a scarcity as much as a price fixing
scheme going on. The only purpose for
building new units is for the developers
and landlords to get in on the scheme
while it's hot, hoping for the market to
bounce back and suddenly $5,000 is the new
$3,000 in SF and they are sitting on prime
real estate. In the meantime the units
will remain vacant or just rented out (or
leased) to people moving in to the City
for work.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 10,
2013 at 4:32 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
<br>
That $5,000/month 2-BR apartment
translates to $60K/year for rent,
which means that the owner isn't
even going to look at anyone with an
income below $180K, or a married
couple with joint income of $180K
and perfect credit ratings. <br>
<br>
Re. "many levels of rich": the
average millionaire is closer to
his/her gardener in terms of net
worth, than to the plutocrats (but
most millionaires have no clue about
this). In any case, there are
enough people in the 1% to account
for 95% of the spending in the
economy (keyword search "plutonomy"
and look for the report that was
leaked from one of the major banks
on that topic), so the bottom 99% is
almost irrelevant ("supply and
demand" for human lives, again).<br>
<br>
Re. "at whatever level a developer
wants to provide more housing, I'll
say YES DO IT..." Be careful what
you wish for...<br>
<br>
Re. "tall buildings..." (preceding
email): When the inevitable 7.0 on
either the Hayward or San Andreas
occurs, even if the building remains
standing (this can't be taken for
granted either, given the problems
with the imported steel in the Bay
Bridge) power & water will be
out for weeks, possibly months in
some areas. Elevators and air
conditioning won't be working in
those buildings. So now you have
highrises full of people, some of
whom are elderly, disabled, or have
small kids, with no food or water,
and no sanitation. Asking neighbors
to carry food up the stairs might
work, but lugging water up ten or
twenty flights is a non-starter (a
2-day supply for one person for
drinking and cooking, is about 25
lbs.). <br>
<br>
Even earthquake-denialism doesn't
help us, because adding high-rises
adds demand for water, sewer, and
parking, all the time. Assuming
that most high-rise residents won't
have cars doesn't help much, because
some will, and those will still add
up to more cars than there is space
to park them. Water and sewer are
the biggies, and any move toward
highrise development will require
digging up streets and installing
new water & sewer mains, which
translate to higher costs either in
rent or in taxes.<br>
<br>
Albert Einstein was a pacifist, and
Edward Teller was a hawk. Both
agreed that the exponential function
is the most dangerous math on
Earth. <br>
<br>
-G.<br>
<br>
<br>
=====
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 13-06-10-Mon 3:41 PM,
Sonja Trauss wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote type="cite">
<div dir="ltr">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>Yeah Jehan
that's how I
understand it.
<br>
<br>
</div>
Eddie's scenario
though is that
rich_guy CAN'T
move into the
nice new apt,
because before
he gets there,
some rich_guy_2
moves into the
apt from
Mountain View,
and <i>rich_guy_2
would not have
moved into SF
if the new
apartments
hadn't been
built</i>. <br>
<br>
</div>
This is a
scenario, so we
should explore its
antecedents and
consequences. <br>
<br>
</div>
My first response is
- so what if this
happens. In this
scenario rents go
neither up or down.
I don't think it's
realistic to expect
that all new
building will be
taken up like this,
but, since I don't
know the future,
it's worth imagining
this extreme outcome
and asking, is it
bad? if it is bad,
is it so bad that we
shouldn't take the
risk of it
happening? I don't
see it as bad. Like
I said before, it
will have no net
affect on rent, so
we lose nothing, and
there might be
ancillary benefits:
my $13 jam business
might improve, or my
$75/ hour personal
yoga coach business.
Maybe I'm a social
worker, and this
means there will be
more money in the
city budget for my
organization.
whatever. <br>
<br>
</div>
Next, more
interestingly, let's
consider what could
possibly cause
rich_guy_2's behavior.
Usually people move to
be closer to work, to
be closer to some fun
city center, to be
closer to family, they
make the decision and
then they look for
housing. They do not
hear of new housing
being built and say,
on that fact alone, 'I
will now move!' <br>
<br>
</div>
If someone hears of new
housing being built, and
he then says, 'I will
now move,' it is because
he is (1) very strict
about only living in
brand new housing (not
likely) or (2)
RESPONDING TO AN
INCREASE IN SUPPLY AT
HIS PRICE POINT. <br>
<br>
</div>
Have you ever heard
someone say "there are no
available apartments in
SF"? Of course he doesn't
mean there are no
available apartments, of
course there are
apartments: <a href="http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/" target="_blank">http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/apa/</a>
there's a $5000 2 bedroom
at the top of the list.
What he means is "there
are no available
apartments in SF at my
price point." So, this
person, who wants to spend
say, $3000 for a nice 2
bedroom lives somewhere
else, and waits for the
supply of $3000 2 bedroom
apartments to increase.
This is rich_guy_2. This
person is currently priced
out of San Francisco. Hard
to believe, but true,
there are many levels of
rich. You can be house
shopping and be priced out
at almost any price point.
I'm sympathetic to people
that are priced out. I
don't want to see anyone
priced out. I'm not going
to discriminate based on
income high or low. No one
should be priced out. If
you can pay $300/mo or
$3000 you should be able
to find something you
think is reasonable in
this town. The supply of
housing in SF is too small
at all but the highest
price point. At whatever
level a developer wants to
supply more housing, I
will say YES. DO IT. <br>
<br>
</div>
MOREOVER. If it's expensive
to build, developers will
only be able to afford to
build high priced projects.
One of the things that makes
building expensive is
fighting with neighbors. So
its ironic (and a little
sad) to see people who want
lower priced housing doing
things that make building
expensive. I think I said
this in another email, but
if a smaller budget
developer wants to build a
cheaper project, but sees
that even the very rich
developer can barely get his
project finished because he
has to spend time and
resources fighting with
neighbors, then the smaller
developer will be like
forget it, I can't do this.
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On
Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 1:46
PM, Jehan Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">@Eddie-
Sorry about the eye!
That was the default
Ubuntu avatar, and it
somehow got synced to
my email when I ran
Pidgin. So the eye is
actually open source!
I'll get rid of it
though if you want.
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>I'll go over this
briefly, but there
are better resources
out there. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Let's say rich
guy can afford $3000
dollars a month and
wants to live in SF.
So landlord charges
him $3000 for an
apartment because it
isn't a closet.
Since there is
nowhere else to live
in SF, rich guy pays
this. New luxury
building opens
across the street
with really nice new
apartments for $3000
a month. Rich guy
decides to move, and
landlord puts
apartment back on
the market for
$3000. But because
all of the other
rich guys are also
living in the new
luxury building,
landlord finds no
tenants. Next month,
landlord is forced
to lower rent to
$2000 and 4 hackers
move in. This is how
the market works.</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>-Jehan</div>
</font></span></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>
<div>On Mon, Jun
10, 2013 at
11:46 AM, Sonja
Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
</div>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>
<div>Ok so
your position
is that the
whole of the
new housing
will be taken
up by people
who don't
currently live
in SF, want
to, but won't
move into SF
unless new
housing is
built.
<div> <br>
</div>
<div>Can you
describe what
it is about
the new
housing that
will make
people who
already have
stable,
adequate
places to live
elsewhere move
into it, when
they've
already
decided theyre
not interested
in living in
any of the
currently
available sf
housing? Does
this question
make sense?
What's special
about the new
housing? What
would make a
person move to
SF Only If new
housing is
built? What is
the scenario.
I can think of
two. One silly
and one not
silly. <span></span></div>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div><br>
On Sunday,
June 9, 2013,
Eddie Che
wrote:<br>
</div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div> Oy,
greetings.
First of all
that Eye is
really
hateful, let's
tone<br>
that down a
little! I've
been against
the eye
because it is
oppressive<br>
so, chill.
@Jehan.<br>
<br>
Building will
increase the
population in
San Francisco.
Not house the<br>
houseless and
not bring down
rents. These
are upscale
(condos?)<br>
apartments,
bringing the
added keyword
of
gentrification.<br>
<br>
I like the
Spain example.
Government
here (County,
City, State,
and<br>
National)
could give
land that is
being held by
it, eg around
highway<br>
off-ramps or
hills or
wherEVER to
folks who are
disenchanted
with...<br>
corporate
rule.<br>
<br>
"liberating
land from
private
control and
corporate
interests and
for<br>
the common
good of all
people."<br>
<br>
Can we hack
that?<br>
EMCHE, in a
tree.<br>
<br>
PS by the way,
surprising
about SF's
vacant housing
units @<br>
<a href="https://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/pulse-of-the-bay/sf-leads-bay-area-vacant-homes/" target="_blank">https://www.baycitizen.org/blogs/pulse-of-the-bay/sf-leads-bay-area-vacant-homes/</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On Sat, Jun 8,
2013 at 6:41
PM, GtwoG
PublicOhOne
<<a>g2g-public01@att.net</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Imagine a
news headline
saying "Good
news for the
economy: food
prices are<br>
> up for
the third
month in a
row!"
Food-owners
would
celebrate, and<br>
>
foodless-rights
advocates
would protest,
but nothing
would change
unless the<br>
> entire
system of
food-speculation
was curbed.<br>
><br>
> Or
imagine this:
Dateline:
Marinaleda,
Spain.
Municipal
government
GIVES<br>
>
dispossessed
people the
land and
building
materials to
build their
own<br>
> homes,
and pays
contractors to
provide
assistance
with the
high-skill
parts<br>
> such as
plumbing.
This is REAL
and it's
happening NOW.<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22701384" target="_blank">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22701384</a><br>
><br>
> "In the
wake of
Spain's
property
crash,
hundreds of
thousands of
homes have<br>
> been
repossessed.
While one
regional
government
says it will
seize<br>
>
repossessed
properties
from the
banks, a
little town is
doing away
with<br>
> mortgages
altogether.
... In
Marinaleda,
residents like
42-year-old<br>
>
father-of-three,
David Gonzalez
Molina, are
building their
own homes.<br>
><br>
> "The town
hall in this
... town an
hour-and-a-bit
east of
Seville, has
given<br>
> David 190
sq m (2,000 sq
ft) of land.
... The
bricks and
mortar are
also a<br>
> gift...
from the
regional
government of
Andalusia. ...
Only once his
home is<br>
> finished
will he start
paying 15
euros (£13)
[approx. $26]
a month, to
the<br>
> regional
government, to
refund the
cost of other
building
materials. ...<br>
><br>
> "...[The
town's] Mayor
Juan Manuel
Sanchez
Gordillo is
known for
occupying<br>
> land
belonging to
the wealthy in
Andalusia. ...
Last summer,
he and his<br>
> left-wing
union comrades
stole from
supermarkets
and handed out
the food to<br>
> the poor.
"I think it
is possible
that a home
should be a
right, and not
a<br>
> business,
in Europe", he
argues. Mayor
Sanchez
Gordillo pours
scorn on<br>
>
"speculators"....<br>
><br>
> ---<br>
><br>
> Think
outside the
box, and you
might end up
thinking like
Mayor Sanchez<br>
> Gordillo.<br>
><br>
> What
happens when
home prices
and rents keep
increasing
while average
income<br>
> levels
have barely
budged since
1974?<br>
><br>
> What
happens to the
lives of
people, when
the health of
an economy in
large<br>
> part
depends on
relentless
increase in
the price of a
vital
necessity that<br>
> is also a
fixed
resource, such
as the square
footage in
which to eat,
sleep,<br>
> and wash?<br>
><br>
> Meanwhile
developers are
building
"luxury"
apartments,
but the number
of<br>
>
"affordable"
units isn't
specified and
always turns
out to be less
than<br>
> first
claimed. How
is it that
anyone has a
"right" to
luxury, at the<br>
> expense
of others'
poverty and
homelessness?<br>
><br>
> At root,
this isn't a
race issue of
black and
white, though
the guardians
of<br>
> privilege
benefit
mightily when
it's framed
that way, and
people who
have<br>
> common
cause are
divided
against each
other. At
root, it's a
class issue of<br>
> green and
red.<br>
><br>
> Land
speculation is
a broken
machine
running an
obsolete
operating
system,<br>
> that's
begging to get
"rooted."<br>
><br>
> -G<br>
><br>
><br>
> =====<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On
13-06-08-Sat
3:06 PM, Sonja
Trauss wrote:<br>
><br>
> I know,
it's so
outrageous.
This line,
"The notion of
smart growth —
also<br>
> referred
to as urban
infill — has
been around
for years,
embraced by a<br>
> certain
type of
environmentalist,
particularly
those
concerned with<br>
>
protecting
open space."<br>
><br>
> Yeah, the
type of
environmentalist
that is an
environmentalist
- what is<br>
> this
supposed to
mean!<br>
><br>
> Also I
guess (I hope)
these
progressives
don't realize
that in
opposing<br>
>
development in
Bayview, they
are
contributing
to keeping
blacks overall<br>
> poorer
than whites.<br>
><br>
> Putting
renters aside
for a minute,
let's consider
similarly
situated black<br>
> and white
homeowners, in
similar income
black and
white
neighborhoods.
If<br>
> these
neighborhoods
are in a city
that is
growing in
wealth and
population<br>
> (like san
francisco)
both
homeowners
should be able
to look
forward to
their<br>
> house
values
increasing,
right? NO.
House values
at first only
increase in<br>
> the white
neighborhoods,
because the
new residents,
moving to SF
from all<br>
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