Yeah we didn't have "hacker spaces" in Phila when I lived there, but when I came here I realized we did have them, we were calling them 'artists collectives'. <span></span><div><br>On Tuesday, July 9, 2013, Romy Ilano wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Hacker spaces aren't that new to me. I lived in Berlin and led art meetings at art squats like tacheles. Noisebridge reminds me of the squats in Berlin or NYC there just seem to be more tech than artists ... </div>
<div><br></div><div>The community and conflicts remind me of typical art collective stuff.. <br><br><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Romy Ilano</div><div><a href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'romy@snowyla.com');" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a></div>
</div><div><br>On Jul 8, 2013, at 0:42, Andrew <<a>andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr"><div>Or just get over it and realize that "hackerspaces" are so far removed from any real historical context that there is no such thing as a "true" hackerspace. I could call my bedroom a hackerspace for all the good it does. and my couch a "hacker" cause it can also be a bed. Culture wars will get you nothing but shity, stale, overanalized dead horses we like to parade as culture.<br>
<br></div>--Andrew<br></div><div><br><br><div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 10:48 PM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a>sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">No, actual solution: people who are attached to a certain idea of a hackerspace give a hard time to people who aren't/ had a different idea. People on each side decide whether and how much to adjust their behavior or beliefs to avoid future interpersonal unpleasantness. <div>
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<br>On Sunday, July 7, 2013, Jehan Tremback wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Possible solution: Trademark the term "hackerspace", sue those who do not meet stringent ideological requirements.</div>
<div><br><br><div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a>sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>hackerspaces are combination office space and utopian capital sharing experiment, not to be confused with just shared work space. A place where "all you get is a desk and an internet connection" isn't a hackerspace, it's just a shared work space, even if the people are doing programming for work. <br>
</div>I'm not surprised at all to see someone who's into hackerspaces for the second reason get annoyed when he thinks a hackerspce is getting confused with a work space. <br></div><div><div>
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<div>On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 4:01 PM, David Rorex <span dir="ltr"><<a>drorex@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Seriously, give the guy a break. It's attitudes like Marc's that drive away people from the "true" hackerspaces. Live and let live: just because his space has a different organizational model than yours doesn't mean it's some sort of evil masterplan to steal all your members and get rich by squeezing money out of them. There are spaces in sf / oakland that charge $250 a month and all you get is a desk and an internet connection. There's room for a whole spectrum of spaces in the bay area. Mitch Altman's dream is a day where there are more hackerspaces than liquor stores.<div>
<br><br><div><div><div>On Wed, Jul 3, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Steve Berl <span dir="ltr"><<a>steveberl@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
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Seems like sort of a blend of Tech Liminal, Techshop, and a hacker space. Not clear why you think it's a bad thing. I don't see it claiming to be anything that it is not. <div><br></div><div>Steve<div><div>
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On Monday, July 1, 2013, Marc Juul wrote:<br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:54 PM, J.C. <span dir="ltr"><<a>r33lmm@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><div><div><div>On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Darren Overby <span dir="ltr"><<a>darren@rockitcolabs.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Excuse the interruption Noisebridge fans, </div><div><br></div><div>In the interest of possible cross-pollination, I wanted to let you know about a new place to hack - <a href="http://www.rockitcolabs.com/noisebridge-invite" target="_blank">RocSounds like a crap attempt at kIT CoLabs</a>. </div>
</div></div></blockquote></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Co-working? yes<br></div><div><br>Makerspace? yah<br></div><div><br>Tech startups? check<br></div><div><br>$200 monthly dues? yep<br><br>For profit? nothing stated to the contrary. seems likely.<br>
</div><div><br>Hierarchical organizational structure? assumed guilty until proven innocent<br></div><div><br>Attempt to make their business v</div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote>
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