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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">For the goals of sudoroom, that's
pretty far from bart, but it looks like a good location besides
that.<br>
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Its near linden st brewery too!<br>
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On 9/10/13 11:25 AM, rusty lindgren wrote:<br>
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<div>Why don't we go in on something like this with both
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<div>Haven't looked at it, but it seems really inexpensive. </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Ryan
Bethencourt <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">Really sorry to hear what happened in regards
to the rant (as I'm sure there were many innocent victims)
but I just wanted to put in a dissenting voice in about a
move.
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<div>Sudo Room get's a lot of value from the space, far
more than we pay in dues as we're allowed to use the
common space for classes, meet ups and etc (while we
only pay for one room). There are of course a lot of
negatives but so far it seems that the positives (as a
whole) outweigh the negatives. George does do tirades
but so far they've been all bark and no bite, plus a
community (like public schools and all of the other
small groups/businesses) have been evolving alongside
Sudo room. I'm all for task forces and finding better
spaces but no space (or landlord) will be perfect.</div>
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<div>Just my two bitcoins!</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 12:05
AM, Louis Huang <span dir="ltr"><<a
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agree with Liberty.<br>
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Sudoroom is a great hackerspace, and with the
relationship next to the Public School, the
sciences and humanities meet on occasions with
interdisciplinary (humanities + science) communal
events that are all the more refreshing.<br>
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If we were to leave, we might want to talk it over
with the Public School too (if it isn't already
happening).<br>
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-Louis<br>
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It makes no sense moving Sudo into another
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you mean pack up all our space mining
equipment and scatter among the stars in
search of a new homeworld?<br>
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Sep 9, 2013 04:12:40 PM, <a
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In complete agreement that Sudo cannot
survive 2141 broadway. I would also like
to bring to the table the idea that we
have two issues: 2141 and finding a new
space. I don't think leaving 2141 needs to
be contingent on finding somthing new.
Events can be spread across different
venues while sudo members focus on finding
a perminent space. We could even rent a
smaller room in 2141 while this happends.<br>
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Just putting it out there...<br>
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to know that this happened.<br>
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Sometime on Friday night, the men's
bathroom was vandalized. I feel<br>
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confident that it was an art-murmur
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know for sure. They spread human feces
along the walls creating what<br>
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appeared to be two swastika shapes - not
entirely faithful renditions<br>
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but enough to reasonably perceive
swastikas in them.<br>
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I learned of this when I came to set up my
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Our landlord George showed it to me. He
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about having to clean up the mess and also
about the symbolism. His<br>
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father is Jewish. He wondered if he had
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happy, as a queer Jew with many family
members in Yad Vashem.<br>
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Unfortunately, this caused him to descend
into another tirade in which<br>
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nobody was spared. He assumed right away
it was done by a Sudoroom<br>
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member. There was a clear path of
association that went: Sudoroom -><br>
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anarchists -> Nazis. At one point he
even suggested that a kid from<br>
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Sudo Kids had "come back to finish the
job". But mostly he accused<br>
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Sudo members. Since I was representing
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he ended up addressing me over and over as
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responsible for this swastika, as if I had
done it myself. I actually<br>
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found this to be the most traumatic part
of the whole event. Not even<br>
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offensive, just downright traumatic.<br>
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There was the usual fare of yelling about
money and society and his<br>
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inability to find good tenants. He twice
informed me that he was<br>
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evicting both Sudoroom and the Public
School and that Laurie would<br>
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prepare a 30 days notice. He's said that
before. He told me that<br>
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Sudoroom and Public School should close
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the day, because "If I see any of them, I
will beat them up!" I told<br>
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him I'm sorry, but I have a Linux class
scheduled for 2:00, please<br>
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don't beat them up. That calmed him down a
little. In short, the rant<br>
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was a mix of old and new.<br>
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Except this time Laurie was there. Laurie
is our other landlord - she<br>
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is George's wife and they own the building
equally. The way he talked<br>
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to her during this rant was very
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target. He yelled at her for not having a
30-days notice already<br>
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prepared, for having written the
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tenants). He said quite hurtful things to
her, including that she was<br>
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nothing but a drain on his life and that
he wanted a divorce from her.<br>
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She just stood there quietly saying
nothing, holding their dog on a<br>
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leash, looking at me with eyes that said
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this." After a while, when George left the
room, she apologized to me.<br>
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She said "please don't listen to anything
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They ended up not leaving for a couple
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to clean the bathroom or let anybody else
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to show evidence to the cops, who he
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investigate. It took a chorus of Laurie
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tenants to convince him that OPD doesn't
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the cops aren't coming, the bathroom
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it up. Eventually he lost steam and they
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I'm not really sure how to wrap up this
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difficult. You will have to draw your own
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