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The obvious solution is: Use a FB link to reach people who are on
FB, and a non-FB link to a non-FB site for people who won't go
anywhere near FB. <br>
<br>
There's no problem with each of those being a separate link to a
separate destination, because when a meeting occurs F2F, whoever
shows up, shows up. It doesn't matter whether they got there from
FB, non-FB, or a flyer taped to a telephone pole.<br>
<br>
As for "everyone is being tracked," not those of us who have
installed a bunch of anti-tracking software and turned up all our
privacy settings to 11. <br>
<br>
The "everyone is being tracked (implied: so therefore give up)" meme
is like the "don't bother with safe sex" meme during the early days
of the HIV/AIDS pandemic, when people were getting infected and
dying in large numbers. Fatalism is defeatism. Prevention is easy
and free. <br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-09-28-Sat 10:45 PM, johanna faust
wrote:<br>
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style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(102,0,0)">acetownes:
please do. here's the link:<br>
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href="http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html"
style="color:rgb(128,0,64);text-decoration:underline"><span
class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small">DIS-INTER-Face-Book-MEDI-A-TION</span></a></h3>
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<div
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class="gmail_default">Andrew: i get that, i do. keep
wishing forf some sort of interface, though, so that the
people who are not on it are easily included. fully
functional for both, comments and all, but integrateable
with fb so that the fb people don't balk. </div>
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<div
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class="gmail_default">which they do, it seems, when they
have to leave fb. why is that? can't they just open a new
tab? i wonder if the rest of the ineternet is more
welcoming now that everyone knows everyone is being tracked,
rather than just knowing fb does it,,,,</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 6:19 PM,
Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Problem is, people use facebook. People who
you might want to reach out to. If you don't use
facebook to get your message across you can really only
hope to preach to the choir. Tools are meant to be used,
It's true that now a days the tools find ways of using
us, but we need to find ways of understanding and
mitigating <i>that</i> instead of just not using them
at all.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at
1:06 PM, johanna faust <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:female.faust@gmail.com"
target="_blank">female.faust@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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well said andrew, but, i think i'm with
GtwoG PublicOhOne on this one. </p>
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style="text-decoration:underline">Dis-inter-facebook-mediation</span></p>
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<p
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Georgia;color:rgb(85,8,17)">i understand
that many find FB useful as a tool, and
agree that organization in the face of the
Panopticon, like living well, is a most
excellent way to tell it to get fucked.
where i begin to object is to that
organization happening primarily in that
virtual environment, instead of a point
being made to make the organizational
center one that makes no assumptions of
membership prerequisite to use, to full
functionality.</p>
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<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 19px/normal
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to FB isn't (just) because of the
ubiquitous and now (at last!) publicly
acknowledged surveillance state. not even
primarily. </p>
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<p
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for me, an intuitive understanding of the
unexamined and unrestrained use of such
traitorous corporate bullshit. of the self
loathing that is the easy consequence. of
the alienation, the feelings of
worthlessness and despair, the subliminal
reinforcement of which is structurally
built in, taken for granted, assumed, by
anyone wanting to make use of this so
called "tool."</p>
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<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
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say to fully embrace a tool that so
denigrates, disregards, and openly mocks
those qualities of human communication, of
the human spirit, that it cannot
effectively monetize, influence, and/or
control?</p>
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its sickness with the unwavering and
obvious purpose of an opt-in, always-on,
depthless and fickle intermediation as
useless as a form of true creative
expression as it is a source of real
nourishment. </p>
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<p
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the message. </p>
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<p
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normal normal 19px/normal
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ceo of fb called the very end users upon
whose aggregate data he built his empire
"dumb fucks."</p>
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<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 19px/normal
Georgia;color:rgb(85,8,17)">i realize i am
ranting. i feel, however, that rants such
as this are needed. every individual and
unique soul's version of such a rant,
displayed prominently wherever and
whenever faces are booked, would be the
beginning of a much needed healing. </p>
<p
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counterweight. so we can open the
windows. so we can communicate freely.
so we can begin to refuse to be sold
without our fully informed, self
respecting consent.</p>
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<p
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everyone who read that for your
attention and consideration.........
midwives, all of you, that just helped
bring another blog </i><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://femalefaust.blogspot.com/2013/09/dis-inter-face-medi-book-ation.html"
target="_blank"><i>post</i></a><i> into
the world.</i></p>
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<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(34,34,34)">On Thu, Sep
26, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">andrew@roshambomedia.com</span></a>>
wrote:</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
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is powerful. If everyone is too afraid
to communicate in the open, it's
trivial to confuse, divide, and
conquer. Think for your self and use
your tools wisely.</p>
<p
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<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">On Thu, Sep
26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony Barreca <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">tony.barreca@gmail.com</span></a>>
wrote:</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">Hiding out
in the open is an old, and often
preferred, strategy.</p>
<p
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<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">On Thu, Sep
26, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan Katz <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:eddan@clear.net"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">eddan@clear.net</span></a>>
wrote:</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
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at best.</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">See, "Isn't
It Ironic, Fixed" at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio</span></a></p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">Reminder -
this is a publicly archived list, and
in this case containing an
announcement for an open strategy
meeting, set in a place open to the
public with known surveillance camera
live streaming.</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">Given what
we now know about the NSA, nearly all
communication tools we now use
straddle this paradox. Those tools
without an illusion of privacy, such
as Facebook Events, are in fact more
straightforward regarding expectations
of privacy, IMHO.</p>
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<p
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moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://eddan.com/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">eddan.com</span></a></p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
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Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">On Sep 25,
2013, at 11:16 PM, Louis Huang <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:louis.huang@aegia.nu"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">louis.huang@aegia.nu</span></a>>
wrote:</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">While I do
find the irony, lets cut them some
slack. It's just another tool for
communication after all.</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">Fyi, ACLU
and the EFF are giving a lecture at
the public school on Oct. 2nd, i do
believe.</p>
<p
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<p
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Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">On Sep 25,
2013, at 6:14 PM, Alice Townes <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:acetownes@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">acetownes@gmail.com</span></a>>
wrote:</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">Haha!
Ironically, it's our number one
recruitment/communication tool. But <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/</span></a>
if you prefer.</p>
<p
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<p
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Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">On Wed, Sep
25, 2013 at 5:52 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">g2g-public01@att.net</span></a>>
wrote:</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
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for *privacy and 4th-A activists*,
where the link is on FACEBOOK....?</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
Arial;color:rgb(54,19,75)">My irony
meter just pegged. That was a joke,
right? </p>
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13-09-25-Wed 2:47 PM, Alice Townes
wrote:</p>
<p
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Room subscribers,</p>
<p
style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0px;font:normal
normal normal 6px/normal
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to you to make sure you know about a
meeting this Saturday for
privacy/Fourth Amendment activists.
We're planning a lot of new things as
well as recruiting for current things
during the meeting, and you should
come if you are interested. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:rgb(51,94,187)">https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/</span></a></p>
<p
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 26,
2013 at 4:09 PM, Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com"
target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">communication is
powerful. If everyone is too afraid
to communicate in the open, it's
trivial to confuse, divide, and
conquer. Think for your self and use
your tools wisely.<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">
<div>
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<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu,
Sep 26, 2013 at 4:02 PM, Tony
Barreca <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:tony.barreca@gmail.com"
target="_blank">tony.barreca@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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class="gmail_quote"
style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Hiding out in
the open is an old, and
often preferred, strategy.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">
<div>On Thu, Sep 26,
2013 at 2:23 PM, Eddan
Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0
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<div>Paradoxical,
at best.</div>
<div>See, "Isn't
It Ironic,
Fixed" at <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/32LCwZFoKio</a><br>
<br>
Reminder -
this is a
publicly
archived list,
and in this
case
containing an
announcement
for an open
strategy
meeting, set
in a place
open to the
public with
known
surveillance
camera live
streaming.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Given what
we now know
about the NSA,
nearly all
communication
tools we now
use straddle
this paradox.
Those tools
without an
illusion of
privacy, such
as Facebook
Events, are in
fact more
straightforward
regarding
expectations
of privacy,
IMHO.</div>
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On Sep 25,
2013, at 11:16
PM, Louis
Huang <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:louis.huang@aegia.nu" target="_blank">louis.huang@aegia.nu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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type="cite">
<div>
<div><span>While
I do find the
irony, lets
cut them some
slack. It's
just another
tool for
communication
after all.</span></div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Fyi,
ACLU and the
EFF are giving
a lecture at
the public
school on Oct.
2nd, i do
believe.<br>
</span><br>
<div>- Louie</div>
</div>
<div><br>
On Sep 25,
2013, at 6:14
PM, Alice
Townes <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:acetownes@gmail.com" target="_blank">acetownes@gmail.com</a>>
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Haha!
Ironically,
it's our
number one
recruitment/communication
tool. But <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/"
target="_blank">http://restorethefourthsf.com/events/third-open-strategy-meeting/</a>
if you prefer.<br>
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class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div
class="gmail_quote">On
Wed, Sep 25,
2013 at 5:52
PM, GtwoG
PublicOhOne <span
dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net"
target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
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bgcolor="#FFFFFF"
text="#000000">
<br>
A meeting for
*privacy and
4th-A
activists*,
where the link
is on
FACEBOOK....?<br>
<br>
My irony meter
just pegged.
That was a
joke, right?
<br>
<br>
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<div>On
13-09-25-Wed
2:47 PM, Alice
Townes wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hello
Sudo Room
subscribers,<br>
<br>
I'm writing to
you to make
sure you know
about a
meeting this
Saturday for
privacy/Fourth
Amendment
activists.
We're planning
a lot of new
things as well
as recruiting
for current
things during
the meeting,
and you should
come if you
are
interested. <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/"
target="_blank">https://www.facebook.com/events/394998687290066/</a><br>
<br>
Thanks!<br>
Alice</div>
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