<p>Three last clarifications (please ask if you need any others):</p>
<p>1. The program did not cover the cost of renting a space, and Vivienne did not pursue sponsors, but rather gathered money out-of-pocket. I did not ask her her reasons for raising money independently, so I cannot weigh in with any analysis. I could try asking her if any of you find this fact relevant.<br>
2. The money she raised went straight (technically still a check in my possession) to George to temporarily rent the smaller dance space for just that Sunday. <br>
3. For what it's worth, when I spoke with George about the practice, he was (at least at that time) amenable to having high schoolers at 2141 should they be equipped with signed parental waivers. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 14, 2013 12:25 AM, "Vicky Knox" <<a href="mailto:vknoxsironi@gmail.com">vknoxsironi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Marc's response is justified, though I reject the language of the two opening questions. </p>
<p>My conversation over the phone with Vivienne lead me to believe that she was participating in a competition organized by her school and I didn't carefully scan the email explanation that she sent me afterward to send to the list. I am really down about my oversight and apologize for it.</p>
<p>I did learn the details of the competition's funding when she and a colleague came to see the space and pick up the key the night before their practice, and at that point I processed the explanation of the sponsorship much differently than Marc. While she is not happy about the sponsor, Vivienne's justification of pursuing this event was that this was a great opportunity for her students to get a hold of resources and a learning environment they would otherwise not have had. She wanted to be able to do this event at a hackerspace because her ultimate goal was to use this competition as a bridge to connect to a critical, hacker community (for what this bridge is worth, given the obvious discrepancy). I felt at once uneasy and understanding. I respect the sentiment that she expressed that she needed to take the opportunity that was there, just as I am not quick to jump to judgment of many of my bright and fascinating friends back home who were in a position in which they (felt that they?) needed to join the military in order to realistically afford higher education. That said, I stand with Marc in my rejection of the military industrial complex (or whatever you would like to call it), but I do not know the answer to more nuanced questions of access to aspirational education within a race-class divided society. I invite your conversation. </p>
<p>If Marc or anyone else would like to bring up this topic at the general meeting, I could not make it this Wednesday but am available the following.</p>
<p>Vicky</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 13, 2013 7:31 PM, "Marc Juul" <<a href="mailto:juul@labitat.dk" target="_blank">juul@labitat.dk</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Vicky Knox <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vknoxsironi@gmail.com" target="_blank">vknoxsironi@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>Do you all have any recommendations on how to expedite this? What is the current status of the large room and using it for events? <br>
<br></div>For background, this teacher origianally contacted info@sudoroom but never got a response, and called the SR number today, slightly frantic. I think it would be really awesome if we were able to help her out. This event seems quite an incredible opportunity for young people.<br>
</div></blockquote><div><br><div>What? What have you been smoking?<br><br></div>The Air Force Association's CyberPatriot? Sponsored by <font face="arial,verdana,helvetica,sans serif"><font face="arial,verdana,helvetica,sans serif">Northrop Grumman?!</font></font> Why are people assuming that this is something sudo room wants to support or in any way encourage? <br>
<br>This sounds terrible. I am going to take this up at this Wednesdays
sudo room meeting. I am completely against anything like this happening
in or near sudo room in any way shape or form. I do not believe I am
alone in feeling like this. I am both surprised and very disappointed
that a critical and sceptical approach was not taken in dealing with
something like this on behalf of sudo room.<br><br>-- <br></div><div>Marc<br></div></div></div></div>
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