<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 3:08 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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IMHO that seems excessively harsh. Banning someone from the list is
similar enough to banning them from the space, that it seems to me
such things entail a collective action by the community rather than
an administrative action or unilateral action by e.g. a list admin
or someone with keys to the door. </div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I strongly disagree. One of the the ways that sudo room gets stuff done is by delegating certain tasks to trusted individuals. This ban was not enacted lightly or without the input of several others who were in sudo room at the time. I think it is a mistake to demand that all actions be put to group consensus. <br>
<br></div><div>Comparing a ban from the list to a ban from the space is just silly. Giovanni is free to show up and use the space, and anyone is free to come to the meeting and argue for his unbanning (including Giovanni himself) and attempt to implement a process for future bans.<br>
<br></div><div>The people who help run sudo room have to sometimes deal with problematic individuals and we are empowered to do so. <br><br></div><div>If you want to participate in running sudo room, I suggest you show up and roll up your sleeves. We have enough people who only ever talk and never do.<br>
</div><div><br>-- <br></div><div>Marc<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Spambots and overt criminals are
one thing, but people who are merely annoying in some way are
another. <br>
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Really: With all the talk about anarcho-this and collectivist-that
and consensus-the-other-thing, seems to me that unilaterally banning
someone for being merely annoying is a pretty major contradiction to
core principles.<br>
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If you or someone else wants to ban someone from the list or the
space, aside from emergencies such as bots and criminals, there are
dispute-resolution processes in place for that. <br>
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So I'm going to stick my neck out and ask that you reinstate him on
the list, and initiate the use of whatever collective processes
exist for resolving the issues you have with him.<br>
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What happened? I thought the "john re" address had been
captured or spoofed by a spammer, but "giovanni_re" was
a legit user, most recently discussing the FCC
application. Did the _giovanni_re" identity turn out to
be some kind of wolf in sheep's clothing? -G<br>
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<div>He was banned for spamming the list about the FCC
thing. Nine emails in nine different threads over the
course of a few hours about a project that he has stated
that he himself is not willing to work on. That is not
reasonable. He also showed up for the sudo room and
counter culture labs meetings and took an unreasonable
amount of the community's time trying to push this project
onto others. It appears that he has been doing similar
things at noisebridge and other tech groups in the bay
area.<br>
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<div>In addition: Starting and running an LPFM station is no
minor undertaking, and Giovanni has continued his attempts
to push this on people even in the face of little
interest. This might have all been fine if he was actually
spearheading the project, but he is not.<br>
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