<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks for the input, Rachel. That sounds like a more appropriate action.<br><br>I've flipped Giovanni's mod bit. It's now up to list admins to allow messages to pass through, or reverse my decision back to a ban or full list privileges.<br>
<br></div>Anyone who feels strongly about this is welcome to bring it up at a weekly meeting.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div>Jenny<br>
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"Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."<br>
-Laurie Anderson<br>
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"Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining it."<br>
-Hannah Arendt<br>
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"To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."<br>
-Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:04 AM, Eddan Katz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:eddan@clear.net" target="_blank">eddan@clear.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Thanks, Rachel.<br>
Mailman people - Are we still banning Giovanni from the Sudo Room mailing list?<br>
Can we instead activate the moderation feature now that the party is over?<br>
<br>
How long are we planning to ban all Yandex addresses for?<br>
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On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:01 PM, Rachel McConnell <<a href="mailto:rachel@xtreme.com">rachel@xtreme.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> Doesn't mailman have a feature where a user can be put into moderation? Separate from the whole list being moderated.<br>
><br>
> Rachel1.0 (lurker with a bit of list management experience)<br>
><br>
> On 10/31/13 1:36 PM, Eddan Katz wrote:<br>
>> Perhaps we can institute a "TRO-l bloc" action, with priorly agreed upon<br>
>> parameters.<br>
>><br>
>> Law folks call stopping someone from doing something before everyone's<br>
>> gotten a chance to get a good handle on what's going on, most<br>
>> importantly a judge - a temporary restraining order (TRO) or preliminary<br>
>> injunction. So TRO-listserv (or TRO-l) could have some settled upon<br>
>> period and parameters by which it can be instituted without<br>
>> consensus-taking. When talking about speech and code though, the rise of<br>
>> (usually entertainment) company calls for shutting down websites<br>
>> immediately amounts to "Prior Restraint" - which often seems draconian<br>
>> especially to free speech/open culture advocates. The standard for doing<br>
>> something that would amount to a prior restraint would then be stricter<br>
>> for an action to be taken and require more checks and balances as a result.<br>
>><br>
>> Excuse the long-winded way about it - but I think this lens helps me at<br>
>> least tease out what may have been bothering some people on the list<br>
>> about how action was taken in solving the problem.<br>
>><br>
>> Not sure how Holacracy! deals with it yet. And unfortunately not going<br>
>> to be able to make this next workshop they're hosting.<br>
>><br>
>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:24 PM, Jenny Ryan <<a href="mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com">tunabananas@gmail.com</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:tunabananas@gmail.com">tunabananas@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> For the record, the action was taken by three people - myself, Matt,<br>
>>> and Marc when we were at sudo late last night working on things (such<br>
>>> as this weekend's event). All three of us have access to the listserv<br>
>>> and regularly moderate the bounces, mailman errors, etc. Matt sent<br>
>>> Giovanni a private email informing him that he'd been removed from the<br>
>>> list.<br>
>>><br>
>>> I entirely support the suspension of someone who's not only been<br>
>>> spamming the list, but has been defacing Noisebridge's wiki and<br>
>>> posting messages such as the following:<br>
>>> <a href="https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/039832.html" target="_blank">https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/039832.html</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> Banning someone from a mailing list is *not* the same as banning them<br>
>>> from the physical community; it's a preservation mode so we don't<br>
>>> receive a bevy of heartbreaking unsubscribe requests. And we are also<br>
>>> hoping people can come together this weekend and support Sudo Room in<br>
>>> person - though many of you may have missed those posts in the barrage.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Jenny<br>
>>> <a href="http://jennyryan.net" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net</a> <<a href="http://jennyryan.net/" target="_blank">http://jennyryan.net/</a>><br>
>>> <a href="http://thepyre.org" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org</a> <<a href="http://thepyre.org/" target="_blank">http://thepyre.org/</a>><br>
>>> <a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org</a> <<a href="http://thevirtualcampfire.org/" target="_blank">http://thevirtualcampfire.org/</a>><br>
>>> <a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com</a> <<a href="http://technomadic.tumblr.com/" target="_blank">http://technomadic.tumblr.com/</a>><br>
>>><br>
>>> `~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
>>> "Technology is the campfire around which we tell our stories."<br>
>>> -Laurie Anderson<br>
>>><br>
>>> "Storytelling reveals meaning without committing the error of defining<br>
>>> it."<br>
>>> -Hannah Arendt<br>
>>><br>
>>> "To define is to kill. To suggest is to create."<br>
>>> -Stéphane Mallarmé<br>
>>> ~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`~`<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2013 at 11:01 AM, Lovelle Mixon <<a href="mailto:sudoroom@ilovebeer.ca">sudoroom@ilovebeer.ca</a><br>
>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:sudoroom@ilovebeer.ca">sudoroom@ilovebeer.ca</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Running a listserv is a completely thankless job.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You're just witnessing how giovanni_re/john fastmail/john/john<br>
>>> regan works. I don't think<br>
>>> he's a bad person. He's not assaulting anyone. He is genuinely<br>
>>> excited about computers<br>
>>> and Linux and communities and free software. His usual mode is he<br>
>>> joins a free culture/<br>
>>> community/open source software community mailing list, and then<br>
>>> every few months or so<br>
>>> starts cross posting interesting links or forwarding emails from<br>
>>> one list to the other,<br>
>>> no editing, just WHAM here read email from this other place, not<br>
>>> realizing that if someone<br>
>>> wants to read email from the other mailing list, they would just<br>
>>> JOIN that mailing list,<br>
>>> no need to forward it. He's been doing this for over 10 years.<br>
>>> He'll be doing it<br>
>>> long after sudoroom is gone.<br>
>>><br>
>>> You usually don't notice what's happening because he's on a LOT of<br>
>>> mailing lists, and annoying<br>
>>> each of the mailing lists is a lot of work, so he doesn't get<br>
>>> around to forwarding stuff<br>
>>> to your mailing list until about a month in the cycle.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Sometimes he gets super excited about something ( RADIO! ) and<br>
>>> starts concentrating on<br>
>>> your particular community, and boom you get the 10 emails in 1<br>
>>> hour problem you just saw.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Unknown how to properly deal with him. People don't join his list<br>
>>> BerkeleyTIP so he feels<br>
>>> the need to branch out. Personally, I think it would help if he<br>
>>> fixed the links on his site<br>
>>> that are broken and updated and are over 4 years old now. That<br>
>>> would be a great start.<br>
>>><br>
>>> John, you have a perfectly good wiki over on BerkeleyTIP. You<br>
>>> could update it with spectrum FCC<br>
>>> radio announcements. You've been trying to get inspire<br>
>>> Noisebridge and Sudoroom to grab<br>
>>> some spectrum of their own. Getting your website in order would<br>
>>> be a good start.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Best<br>
>>><br>
>>> Lovelle<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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>>><br>
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>><br>
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