<div>it does seem philosophically better to provide content on an opt-in basis via existing RF links than to simply radiate it in every direction and block that portion of the spectrum from other uses<br /><br /></div>
<div class="replyBody">on Nov 04, 2013, <b>Anthony Di Franco</b> <di.franco@gmail.com> wrote:<br />
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<p dir="ltr">This sounds a lot like the mesh networking projects, which move away from broadcasting as fundamental and rebase broadcasting in a peer-to-peer context, and are already oriented the right ways technically and with respect to regulations for those goals.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Nov 4, 2013 11:31 AM, "David Keenan" <<a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com" target="_blank">dkeenan44@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" />
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<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">I find myself most sympathetic to Naomi's position - although I do still think FM as a medium has some romance and cool left in it, I don't know that it's actually worth it, given the cost and effort. </span>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Completely naiive riffing follows, but -- since decentralizing information and the means of production are (for me) integral to freeing information / culture.. if one wanted to recolonize the airwaves, I wonder if it might be possible to simply distribute LPFM? </div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Ie, give people a small appliance that transceives internet radio into LPFM or way lower-power radio, ie just for their block / neighborhood / whathaveyou.. A device that doesn't take a whole lot of power, that is innately not geographically bounded, and can become a diaspora of signal. And not necessarily legal but decentralized and dispersed.. if enough folks did this in aggregate in a given neighborhood or community, could that collectively function coverage-wise as a single relatively strong broadcast / antenna?</div>
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<div style="font-family: arial,sans-serif; font-size: 13.333333969116211px;">Has anyone tried anything similar, or does this even make sense..?</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:08 AM, Hol Gaskill <span dir="ltr"><<a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:hol@gaskill.com" target="_blank">hol@gaskill.com</a>></span> wrote:<br />
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<div>agree on not having transmitter co-located with hq. dropping repeaters nearby can also prevent pinpointing by birds overhead.<br /><br /></div>
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<div>on Nov 03, 2013, <b>Naomi Most</b> <<a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:pnaomi@gmail.com" target="_blank">pnaomi@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br />
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid #267fdb; margin: 0 0 0 1.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dudes I was THERE managing tech for Pirate Cat went that all went<br />down. See also:<br /><br /><a href="http://nthmost.com/2011/04/radio-valencia-the-little-radio-station-that-could/" target="_blank">http://nthmost.com/2011/04/radio-valencia-the-little-radio-station-that-could/</a><br /> <br />The major difference here to what was suggested above is that Pirate<br />Cat hosted its antenna in many many different places over the years.<br />We moved it every 3 months or so. And 95% of the membership didn't<br /> know where it was.<br /><br />My point was to ask the question WHY put up the antenna at all.<br /><br />The return on investment for putting up an antenna -- particularly,<br />one physically located at the locus of control as opposed to offsite<br /> somewhere like in a van or something -- is pretty abysmal.<br />Listenership to the airwaves continues to drop.<br /><br />If you decided to jam some corporate radio station, you'd be<br />implicating Sudo Room and the feds would come down on it sooner or<br /> later.<br /><br />If you just wanted to squat some frequency in the lower band, you'd<br />have an abysmal listenership at the cost of the power of operating the<br />antenna.<br /><br />It's just not that compelling an exercise for the amount of risk.<br /> Not for me, anyway. I guess a lot of people still feel that the<br />airwaves are somehow inherently exciting.<br /><br />--Naomi<br /><br />On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 5:54 PM, Gregg Horton <<a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:greggahorton@gmail.com" target="_blank">greggahorton@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br /> > We agree on absolutely nothing so I abstain<br />><br />> On Nov 3, 2013 5:17 PM, "GtwoG PublicOhOne" <<a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>> wrote:<br />>><br /> >><br />>> If someone or a group wants to propose or operate a radio station in an<br />>> act of peaceful civil disobedience, they should research the regs, laws,<br />>> and potential penalties, and talk with an attorney who has represented<br /> >> clients who have engaged in similar acts in the past. That would be a<br />>> project for a group that is not formally identical with SR.<br />>><br />>> The most successful peaceful civil disobedience actions in the past<br /> >> fifty years have been conducted by people who were not only<br />>> well-grounded in principles, but also had trained themselves in how to<br />>> interact in a peaceful and effective manner with all of the people they<br /> >> would come into contact with, including law enforcement and government<br />>> officials. The civil rights movement and the Clamshell Alliance<br />>> anti-nuclear group are excellent examples to study, and much of their<br /> >> material can be found online.<br />>><br />>> All of that said, online/internet radio is still the fastest way to<br />>> reach an audience with no geographic limits or regulatory risks, and<br />>> spreading the word is easy. Linkage with other online broadcasters can<br /> >> build up a seamless network with 24/7/365 coverage.<br />>><br />>> To challenge the existing AM/FM broadcast status-quo, will inevitably<br />>> require challenging station licenses in order to re-capture spectrum.<br /> >> And the best place to start is by challenging the crowding of spectrum<br />>> by multiple redundant right-wing religious broadcasters. The case for<br />>> it is clear and obvious in any area with strong cultural diversity, and<br /> >> a win is a victory on multiple fronts.<br />>><br />>> Under-thinking, rather than over-thinking, is the risk for failure.<br />>> Reaction is not action.<br />>><br />>> -G<br />>><br />>><br /> >> =====<br />>><br />>><br />>> On 13-11-03-Sun 4:39 PM, Jake wrote:<br />>> >>> Just put a big fucking antenna on the roof and start broadcasting, if<br />>> >>> you don't, i will, god damnit.<br /> >> >>><br />>> >>> Stop overthinking things and do it.<br />>> >><br />>> >> Why? So you can inflict a $20,000 fine on Sudo Room as quickly as<br />>> >> humanly possible?<br /> >> ><br />>> > it takes a long time and a lot of work and listeners before you even<br />>> > get the ten-day warning, let alone an unenforcable fine. Don't forget<br />>> > that Berkeley Liberation Radio has been broadcasting for almost ten<br /> >> > years now, interrupted more often by their own failures than by two<br />>> > FCC raids where the FCC basically snatched their equipment and fled<br />>> > like cowards.<br />>> ><br />>> > No one at BLR has ever been successfully "fined", and even the NAL<br /> >> > (Notice of Apparent Liability) filed against Stephen Dunifer of FRB<br />>> > before them has just sat uncollected, like almost all NALs against<br />>> > pirates, for twenty years now. Stephen's very public response to the<br /> >> > Notice of Apparent Liability was "Apparently not."<br />>> ><br />>> > The FCC's fine enforcement mechanism is to threaten to revoke your<br />>> > stations lisence. This works when they fine lisenced broadcasters for<br /> >> > the seven deadly words or whatever, but filed against an unlisenced<br />>> > person it's a joke. Witness the fine against Daniel Robert of Pirate<br />>> > Cat Radio, which is an example of a person who put his full name all<br /> >> > over everything and even corresponded with the FCC in the mail, making<br />>> > it personal. They haven't even collected anything from him.<br />>> ><br />>> > here's the story of pirate cat's fine:<br /> >> ><br />>> > <a href="http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/10/fcc-fines-monkey-man-radio-pirate-10k-war-continues/" target="_blank">http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/10/fcc-fines-monkey-man-radio-pirate-10k-war-continues/</a><br /> >> ><br />>> ><br />>> > The point is, if sudoroom decides as a group to broadcast a signal<br />>> > from the roof or wherever (we can stream over the internet you know)<br />>> > then sudoroom can decide for itself whether it wants to keep going<br /> >> > after getting a "ten day notice to cease broadcasting" If that EVER<br />>> > happens.<br />>> ><br />>> > <a href="http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html" target="_blank">http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-264276A1.html</a><br /> >> ><br />>> > and if a broadcast is not coming from the building where sudoroom is,<br />>> > then it is not even a matter for sudoroom to have to decide on.<br />>> > Sudoroom can continue to have an internet streaming radio station and<br /> >> > leave it at that.<br />>> ><br />>> > _______________________________________________<br />>> > sudo-discuss mailing list<br />>> > <a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br /> >> > <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br />>> ><br />>><br />>> _______________________________________________<br /> >> sudo-discuss mailing list<br />>> <a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br />>> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br /> ><br />><br />> _______________________________________________<br />> sudo-discuss mailing list<br />> <a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br />> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br /> ><br /><br /><br /><br />-- <br />Naomi Theora Most<br /><a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:naomi@nthmost.com" target="_blank">naomi@nthmost.com</a><br /><a href="http://tel%2B1-415-728-7490" target="_blank" value="+14157287490">+1-415-728-7490</a><br /><br /> skype: nthmost<br /> <br /><a href="http://twitter.com/nthmost" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/nthmost</a><br />_______________________________________________<br />sudo-discuss mailing list<br /><a class="parsedEmail " href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br /> <a href="http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br /><br /></blockquote>
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