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Following up, re. Steve, Eddan, Hol, and other re-purposing of the
logo:<br>
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Re. Steve: <br>
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An hour to re-tune a transmitter. Yow. But in those days the
Soviet bombers would have taken approx. 6 hours to reach the US, so
I would suppose that some stations cut over to 640 or 1240 more
quickly and others stayed off-air until they re-tuned. After ICBMs,
the attack time could be as little as 30 minutes, which I suppose is
what must have led to the change to EBS. From your Wikipedia link I
found out that the ominous "alert tone" was 960 Hz; I'd guessed it
was 1 KHz; close enough "by ear."<br>
<br>
"Scam to sell replacement transmitter tubes," nah, probably an
un-intended consequence: nobody would have wanted transmitters
breaking down as a nuclear war was starting. <br>
<br>
"Voters... too late..." Maybe; depends on the tactics used to get
their attention;-)<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
Re. Eddan: <br>
<br>
Makes sense that you'd know Marvin Ammori. VERY interesting that
his op-ed piece could be actually speaking to the clerks of the
court. As in, "don't make the kind of mistake like the one in that
railroad case that turned corporations into persons"?, or something
else? <br>
<br>
Re. the libertarians not supporting it: are you pointing to a
distinction between left-libertarians and right-libertarians, or
something else? <br>
<br>
Re. anti-discrimination: ooh, that's good! Really really good.
Suggests that it could be framed as a _racial_ discrimination issue
due to the correlation between economics and race. "Discriminatory
effect" doctrine might apply there, which, when combined with
opposition to an "affirmative action" type workaround, produces the
result of demanding a level playing field, thus net neutrality. <br>
<br>
There's a potential _religious_ discrimination issue here too: per
my item about radio spectrum colonized by a narrow slice of
religious denominations, excluding all others, whereby internet
broadcasting is a "partial remedy." Shutting down internet radio
and podcasting, effectively takes _minority religious broadcasters_
off the air altogether. <br>
<br>
Even though the Bay Area progressive community is largely
non-religious in any conventional sense, there are strong religious
progressive traditions in many denominations in the US, for example
the Catholic Worker, various Quaker-affiliated groups, etc. If
these groups have counted on their web sites, podcasts, internet
broadcast, etc., they are a natural constituency. <br>
<br>
Re. traffic prioritization for hyperlocal: Interesting point. I'd
be satisfied with a truly level playing field and no Spynet
("tracking"). What I really want is to go back to status quo ante,
with a firewall of entity separation between carriers and content.
Carriers that have a stake in content are if anything worse than the
old Bell monopoly, which at least was content-neutral and level. <br>
<br>
--<br>
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Re. Hol: <br>
<br>
Great find you found there. <br>
<br>
Your link is to one of the earlier renditions of the Civil Defense
logos, I would guess early to mid 1950s. That was a scan of an
original printed publication. <br>
<br>
By the late 50s, the red "CD" lettering was much larger, touching
the boundaries of the triangle; and the lines in the CD letters were
slightly thinner. <br>
<br>
BTW, the logo was ubiquitous on public service vehicles in that era,
including fire engines, public works vehicles, Post Office vehicles,
etc., anything that could be used in disaster recovery. Anyone who
was alive in that era would immediately recognize a modern
re-purposing of the logo.<br>
<br>
--<br>
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And back to Steve:<br>
<br>
The "messenger" logo works for things like community wireless. For
underground radio I think the CONELRAD logo from the Wikipedia page
is more directly to the point.<br>
<br>
--<br>
<br>
That page of logos Hol found has all kinds of potential:<br>
<br>
Look at the upper right corner of the page, the "Civil Air Patrol"
logo. Grass-roots "drones" or "anti-drone drones" or whatever you
want to call them? And/or use the "Air Raid Warden" logo for
anti-drone efforts. <br>
<br>
Also look in the left column toward the bottom, the logo with the
pliers in it for "utility repair." Possible hackers/makers alliance
logo? <br>
<br>
And, create new ones, with various things in the white triangle to
symbolize elements of the community including coders (a field of 1s
and 0s?), crypto (three five-digit groups, a traditional symbol for
ciphertext), biohackers (that one's easy: a DNA helix in red),
attorneys (oldschool scale representing equal justice), etc. The
"emergency food and housing" logo could be re-purposed to "community
home-brewing" with the symbol of a beer mug instead of a coffee
cup. More ideas eagerly welcome....<br>
<br>
The common denominator is the idea that community-based "stuff" will
not be shut down, no matter what, even if it takes peaceful civil
disobedience to protect it. That's a way of standing up and showing
strength in numbers. "Civil Disobedience IS Civil Defense!"<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 13-11-05-Tue 3:56 PM, Steve Berl
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAB4gGneiY_jong_=ATnNpZy90Qpu9MzgUbD_KPWOQVYmHaXJNQ@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">Like the image. The messenger one seems appropriate.
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<div>Steve<br>
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On Tuesday, November 5, 2013, Hol Gaskill wrote:<br>
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<div>I like the cut of your jib, steve. we can make our own
set of roles and insignia:<br>
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<div>on Nov 05, 2013, <b>Steve Berl</b> <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="javascript:_e({}, 'cvml',
'steveberl@gmail.com');" target="_blank">steveberl@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">Re.
CONELRAD:</span><br
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">
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<div>Interesting stuff. A bit more digging and I did
find reference to the low power mode, and stations
near the designated frequencies needing to retune
their transmitters. One article said that it took the
engineer of one station up to an hour to retune to the
new frequency. Hope those bombers were flying pretty
slow. The round robin thing is also referenced in
several articles and how turning the transmitters on
and off, as well as transmitting off frequency (which
I guess causes a high VSWR). </div>
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<div>Sounds like a scam to sell lots of replacement
power tubes for transmitters.</div>
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<div>I like the idea of <span
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">"Civil
Disobedience IS Civil Defense!" and adopting the
symbol..</span></div>
<div><span face="arial, sans-serif"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span></div>
<div><span face="arial, sans-serif"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">As for getting
this to be an electoral issue, I have my doubts that
you can get a significant number of voters
interested enough to care, until it is too late. </span></div>
<div><span face="arial, sans-serif"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> </span></div>
<div><span face="arial, sans-serif"
style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">-steve<br>
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<div>On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 6:48 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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Re. Steve:<br>
<br>
The nightmare scenario for "after the end of net
neutrality" is that the Bigs adopt _time-based_ or
_QOS-based_ control of any content that isn't
paying through the nose.<br>
<br>
For example a typical small biz website's main
page is about 2 meg. Under the new regime they
find it takes 60 seconds to load (long enough to
chase away customers), so they redo the site and
now it's only 200K. But the 200K version of the
page still takes 60 seconds to load. And if they
slimmed it down to 20K it would still take 60
seconds to load. <br>
<br>
Even easier, just assign the lowest QOS priorities
to "commoner" traffic, so it's totally
unreliable. Think call-drops in bad cell coverage
areas, translated to the entirety of the internet
over both wired and wireless media, so it becomes
totally but randomly useless. The reason you hear
people say they "don't like to talk on the phone"
is because "the phone" has become crappy audio and
unreliable connections compared to what it used to
be. Translate that to the whole internet with the
exception of the "preferred channels," Google,
Facebook, Twitter, Amazon, and of course Fox
News. "I don't go online any more except to buy
stuff...." Right, exactly.<br>
<br>
Either of the above would shut down internet
broadcasting, and also shut down small business
websites, for which reason Main Street USA ought
to be up in arms about it, pitchforks &
torches included. <br>
<br>
If either of those censorship-by-"nudge" things
happens, a huge explosion of pirate radio would
not be unexpected, including deliberately stepping
on big stations' signals to make the point. For
that matter, revenge-jamming of the entire AM
& FM broadcast bands by "outlaws" is a
foreseeable consequence. Think of people running
around dropping off disposable jamming
transmitters all over a city, that kind of thing.
Argh...<br>
<br>
What I'm thinking is: <br>
<br>
Make this THE issue of the 2014 Congressional
elections. "The biggest free speech issue of the
21st century." Every candidate gets grilled on
it: where do you stand on net neutrality? Anyone
who isn't with us gets dragged through a nasty
primary battle. And if they lie about supporting
it, and get into office and do nothing or worse,
then they get primaried in 2016, which will be a
high-turnout year. <br>
<br>
And of course, back up the electoral strategy with
a barrage of lawsuits covering every possible
angle, and with peaceful civil disobedience
designed to generate more trials where these
issues can be brought up again and again and
again. <br>
<br>
Re. CONELRAD:<br>
<br>
I've read plenty of Civil Defense material from
the Cold War era and it described the low-power
broadcast scenario. That Wikipedia article is the
first I've heard of anything like round-robin, and
it would be difficult to manage a round-robin
system in the middle of a nuclear attack. <br>
<br>
But either scenario might be adaptable to "modern
conditions." "Civil Disobedience IS Civil
Defense!" Heh, may as well adopt the CO</div>
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