<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for how at risk you are for being hassled, and in what way. <br></div>I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three times you were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your robbers would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not have been robbed.<br>
<br></div>I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.<br><br></div>David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety from mugging of black women and men? <br></div>I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to rob women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety of black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they would be safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't believe that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other black people. <br>
<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org" target="_blank">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my<br>
intention to share an experience that better helped me understand<br>
motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic groups.<br>
<br>
Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question because<br>
it wrongly places focus elsewhere.<br>
<br>
--<br>
-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
<div class="im"><br>
On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:<br>
> To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting anecdotes about<br>
> encountering black people in Oakland: Â Let's not forget that there are<br>
> actually some on this list. Â In fact, I'm one of them!<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey <<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
</div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Â Â Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his early 20s.<br>
><br>
> Â Â --<br>
>   -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
><br>
> Â Â On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:<br>
> Â Â > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus when I lived in st<br>
> Â Â > louis:<br>
> Â Â > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street money, it<br>
> Â Â ain't even<br>
> Â Â > worth it."<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > ps are you a boy or a girl?<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey <<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>><br>
</div>> Â Â > <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
<div><div class="h5">> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others is one<br>
> Â Â of my<br>
> Â Â > Â Â favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The level of<br>
> Â Â respect I<br>
> Â Â > Â Â show for differing perspectives is something I hope to never be<br>
> Â Â > Â Â content with, that is to say I believe it's an endless process<br>
> Â Â and I'm<br>
> Â Â > Â Â still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my head stuck in<br>
> Â Â > Â Â projects and have realized is that I've been holding out on<br>
> Â Â sharing<br>
> Â Â > Â Â many of my most valued perspectives, more specifically my<br>
> Â Â experiences.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â It is my hope that through sharing experiences we can better<br>
> Â Â > Â Â understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo Room and how<br>
> Â Â we Sudo<br>
> Â Â > Â Â Room can better conduct ourselves within our local community.<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some airport in New<br>
> Â Â > Â Â England, in search of hackers, activists and uncomfortable<br>
> Â Â > Â Â experiences. After subletting an apartment in the mission for<br>
> Â Â all of a<br>
> Â Â > Â Â month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland I've been<br>
> Â Â > Â Â robbed three times, to me each experience has been indescribably<br>
> Â Â > Â Â educational in its own way. However, my first crime related<br>
> Â Â experience<br>
> Â Â > Â Â in Oakland was not a crime at all.<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking distance from my<br>
> Â Â > Â Â apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. To me it is<br>
> Â Â usually<br>
> Â Â > Â Â a liquor store, but this day I felt like working through the<br>
> Â Â night so<br>
> Â Â > Â Â I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home holding the<br>
> Â Â > Â Â redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two African-American<br>
> Â Â > Â Â youths, one female, one male and both no older than 17. We<br>
> Â Â passed each<br>
> Â Â > Â Â other and at this time I was about 20" from home then from<br>
> Â Â behind me I<br>
> Â Â > Â Â heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â I turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a guilty<br>
> Â Â smile<br>
> Â Â > Â Â on my face, after all who the fuck really needs 32oz of redbull?<br>
> Â Â > Â Â Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I all get along<br>
> Â Â > Â Â swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone else get<br>
> Â Â things done.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" in an attempt<br>
> Â Â to make<br>
> Â Â > Â Â the situation more casual. I walked up and handed him the<br>
> Â Â redbull, his<br>
> Â Â > Â Â face lit up, he went nuts.<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than stealing!"<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â The smile stayed on his face as he continued celebrating,<br>
> Â Â exclaiming<br>
> Â Â > Â Â all possible iterations of the above statement as I stood their<br>
> Â Â > Â Â dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we parted ways,<br>
> Â Â up the<br>
> Â Â > Â Â stairs and into the house I could still hear him talking with his<br>
> Â Â > Â Â friend.<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â This was certainly not the first time he'd been told of this<br>
> Â Â > Â Â sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the first time<br>
> Â Â he had<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ever believed it. There are at least 3 other experiences I<br>
> Â Â would like<br>
> Â Â > Â Â to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â --<br>
>   >   -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
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