<div dir="ltr"><div><div>oh. <br><br></div>Guaranteed basic income, that does NOT increase if you have children. You receive it starting at, say, 22. No earlier. <br><br></div>There are org.s that are working on advocating for it. I guess I should start volunteering more. <br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 8:30 PM, rhodey <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org" target="_blank">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">There is a class of discussions I feel comfortable having on a public<br>
mailing list and a class of discussions I feel more comfortable having<br>
in person. While I agree that race and age are relevant factors in being<br>
the target of crime, the target discussion is not a discussion I'm<br>
interested in having or intended to spur.<br>
<br>
What I'm more interested in exploring is the preventative measures that<br>
can be taken to decrease crime at the society level and how Sudo Room<br>
can lend a hand.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
-- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
</font></span><div class="im HOEnZb"><br>
On 11/18/2013 08:17 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:<br>
> no way man! your age/ race / gender is super relevant I think for how at<br>
> risk you are for being hassled, and in what way.<br>
> I think gender is the most important. Super crazy people and females<br>
> will rob ladies, but crazy people, females AND healthy, red-blooded<br>
> American bullies will rob boys. I would bet $70 that the three times you<br>
> were robbed, if I had walked by that corner instead of you, your robbers<br>
> would have said "hey girl, can I go w chu"? to me and I would not have<br>
> been robbed.<br>
><br>
> I also think it gets less fun to rob men as they get older.<br>
><br>
> David - you're black, do you have any info on the relative safety from<br>
> mugging of black women and men?<br>
> I would expect the same dynamic to play out - it's not that fun to rob<br>
> women, it's not as cool of a story. What about the relative safety of<br>
> black and white men? I think white men and women imagine they would be<br>
> safer in a black neighbourhood if they were black, but I don't believe<br>
> that. I'm pretty sure the main victims of black criminals are other<br>
> black people.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:59 PM, rhodey <<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
</div><div class="im HOEnZb">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Â Â I am sincerely sorry that I've made you uncomfortable. It was my<br>
> Â Â intention to share an experience that better helped me understand<br>
> Â Â motivations for crime, not an experience with other ethnic groups.<br>
><br>
> Â Â Retrospectively I'd rather not have answered the last question because<br>
> Â Â it wrongly places focus elsewhere.<br>
><br>
> Â Â --<br>
>   -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
><br>
> Â Â On 11/18/2013 07:50 PM, David Barthwell wrote:<br>
> Â Â > To all the people sharing fun stories and uplifting anecdotes about<br>
> Â Â > encountering black people in Oakland: Â Let's not forget that there are<br>
> Â Â > actually some on this list. Â In fact, I'm one of them!<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 7:36 PM, rhodey <<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>><br>
</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> Â Â > <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>>>> wrote:<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â Oh yes, it is worth noting that I'm a white male in his early 20s.<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â --<br>
>   >   -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
> Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â On 11/18/2013 07:12 PM, Sonja Trauss wrote:<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > this reminds me of a comment I overheard on the bus when I<br>
> Â Â lived in st<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > louis:<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > "I'm getting that government money man, fuck street money, it<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ain't even<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > worth it."<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > ps are you a boy or a girl?<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 6:55 PM, rhodey<br>
> Â Â <<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>><br>
> Â Â > Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>>><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>><br>
> Â Â > Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a><br>
> Â Â <mailto:<a href="mailto:rhodey@anhonesteffort.org">rhodey@anhonesteffort.org</a>>>>> wrote:<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â Receiving and contemplating the perspectives of others<br>
> Â Â is one<br>
> Â Â > Â Â of my<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â favorite ways to burn metaphorical CPU cycles. The level of<br>
> Â Â > Â Â respect I<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â show for differing perspectives is something I hope to<br>
> Â Â never be<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â content with, that is to say I believe it's an endless<br>
> Â Â process<br>
> Â Â > Â Â and I'm<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â still working on it. I have a tendency to keep my head<br>
> Â Â stuck in<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â projects and have realized is that I've been holding out on<br>
> Â Â > Â Â sharing<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â many of my most valued perspectives, more specifically my<br>
> Â Â > Â Â experiences.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â It is my hope that through sharing experiences we can better<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â understand how to conduct ourselves within Sudo Room and how<br>
> Â Â > Â Â we Sudo<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â Room can better conduct ourselves within our local<br>
> Â Â community.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â I arrived in the "bay area" May 1st by way of some<br>
> Â Â airport in New<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â England, in search of hackers, activists and uncomfortable<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â experiences. After subletting an apartment in the<br>
> Â Â mission for<br>
> Â Â > Â Â all of a<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â month I moved to West Oakland. Since arriving in Oakland<br>
> Â Â I've been<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â robbed three times, to me each experience has been<br>
> Â Â indescribably<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â educational in its own way. However, my first crime related<br>
> Â Â > Â Â experience<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â in Oakland was not a crime at all.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â There is a corner store within ~6 minutes walking<br>
> Â Â distance from my<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â apartment by West Oakland BART called Happy Times. To me<br>
> Â Â it is<br>
> Â Â > Â Â usually<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â a liquor store, but this day I felt like working through the<br>
> Â Â > Â Â night so<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â I bought 2 large redbull energy drinks. Walking home<br>
> Â Â holding the<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â redbull as best I could in one hand I passed two<br>
> Â Â African-American<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â youths, one female, one male and both no older than 17. We<br>
> Â Â > Â Â passed each<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â other and at this time I was about 20" from home then from<br>
> Â Â > Â Â behind me I<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â heard "hey man, can I get a redbull?".<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â I turned around to face the two of them with a bit of a<br>
> Â Â guilty<br>
> Â Â > Â Â smile<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â on my face, after all who the fuck really needs 32oz of<br>
> Â Â redbull?<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â Caffeine, other energy drinks, productivity and I all<br>
> Â Â get along<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â swimmingly, all the better if I can help someone else get<br>
> Â Â > Â Â things done.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â "Sure" I said, followed by "make good use of it" in an<br>
> Â Â attempt<br>
> Â Â > Â Â to make<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â the situation more casual. I walked up and handed him the<br>
> Â Â > Â Â redbull, his<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â face lit up, he went nuts.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â **and I quote** "Oh man! Asking is so much better than<br>
> Â Â stealing!"<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â The smile stayed on his face as he continued celebrating,<br>
> Â Â > Â Â exclaiming<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â all possible iterations of the above statement as I<br>
> Â Â stood their<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â dumbfounded. This continued for minutes until we parted<br>
> Â Â ways,<br>
> Â Â > Â Â up the<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â stairs and into the house I could still hear him talking<br>
> Â Â with his<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â friend.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â This was certainly not the first time he'd been told of this<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â sentiment, but after ~17 years of living it was the<br>
> Â Â first time<br>
> Â Â > Â Â he had<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â ever believed it. There are at least 3 other experiences I<br>
> Â Â > Â Â would like<br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â to share in time, but for now I'll leave it at this.<br>
> Â Â > Â Â ><br>
> Â Â > Â Â > Â Â --<br>
>   >   >   -- rhodey ˙ ͜ʟ˙<br>
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