<div dir="ltr"><div>I don't think rhodey was trying to stir up controversy, he asked a valid question and I think I answered it to the best of my ability. If I offended anyone I apologize, but I don't see how I could have (assuming you're not an asshole).<br>
<br>And...on that note I feel like I've shared everything I need to share here. <br><br></div><div>-chrisbee<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 2:34 PM, Jeremy Entwistle <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwentwistle@cryptolab.net" target="_blank">jwentwistle@cryptolab.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">As a warning, unless you're working on a project regarding race/sex/gender, then I wouldn't discuss it here. In other activist spaces, these discussions were used as a tool (by groups unknown to me) to label the space as racist or sexist. If you're using any physical characteristics to describe something negative about a person, then I'm going to take offense to it. If you have a problem with something, use the name of that person specifically for that particular instance. Otherwise, you're using labels with no purpose except to associate negative ideas about a race, sex, or gender.<br>
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On 2013-11-19 14:11, Hol Gaskill wrote:<br>
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I hope no one is forming opinions on the whole of sudo room based on<br>
communications originating from specific people. If you look back on<br>
the archives, I think there are many personalities that are vocal on<br>
the sudo-discuss list - this does not translate into cultural<br>
influence, nor should it be construed as representative of the values<br>
anyone other than the person behind their own keyboard. I for one do<br>
not consider anyone a representative of my race, culture, social<br>
group, profession, or family and it is unfortunate that we have<br>
repeated probings asking for the same from a sudoer on the basis of<br>
race-based perspective. Anyways, I hope no one is confusing post<br>
volume on the list discussion with representation of sudo room values<br>
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cheers,<br>
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Thank you Rhodey - I appreciate the assist.<br>
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So I guess that this is the famous "call-out culture" of Sudoroom in effect? <br>
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Sonja, I'll try to find some time to reply to this entire thread in a bit (gainfully employed - none of that government money for me, thank you). <br>
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I AM a black person, but I am most unfortunately not a statistician nor a sociologist, nor have I conducted any studies - formal or informal - on the correlation between property crime and race. If you're genuinely curious about the data and not just making some ... point, there's always Google. Or DuckDuckGo. Whatever. <br>
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so in person or in an off-list email.<br>
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I still want to know whether David has any info/ insights on the<br>
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relative vulnerability to mugging of white v black men. Or if anyone on<br>
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here has any notion for vulnerability based on race.<br>
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For me, I notice that walking around with a white man generates more<br>
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threatening comments than if I was walking alone. That and also what<br>
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reports from white men about being mugged and held up leads me to<br>
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believe I would be more vulnerable to being mugged if I was a boy.<br>
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Are there any black girls on the list that have a similar set of<br>
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anecdotal datas? or black men walking alone v. walking w white men?<br>
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I can't tell if there is no personal data, or what. Rhodey gave some. It<br>
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confirmed the other data I had. Any more either way?<br>
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I don't mind discussing this topic as long as it's constructive and<br>
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Unfortunately there's plenty of shitty people out there...or as my<br>
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mom used to say, "asshole is a rainbow word." Honest and frank<br>
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discussion about assholes is not a bad thing...categorizing or<br>
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iffy and something I try to avoid.<br>
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