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Thanks so much for disambiguating! With this additional knowledge,
I'm happy to be removed from the agenda again.<br>
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On 12/9/2013 10:14 PM, Jenny Ryan wrote:<br>
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<div>This is not a sudo room vs Timon conflict - it's a
George vs. Timon conflict. Having been in the space last
night, I can report that Matt's call to George was
simply a followup to Friday's conversation, in which
George had told Matt that Timon had been kicked out of
the building and that he couldn't be in the sudo space.
Matt told Timon as much, and that his being in the space
could jeapordize our lease, and Timon peaceably agreed
to stay out of sudo room. <br>
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Matt followed up with George to say that while we could
border the boundaries of sudo room proper, and that
Timon had agreed to stay out of sudo room, we couldn't
control who had access to the common space (and that
Timon was currently in the common space - but he didn't
say anything about him bothering anyone). At that point,
George asked Matt to call the police. Matt refused,
saying this was an issue between George and Timon, and
that it was completely out of line to put us (sudo room)
in the middle of a landlord-tenant conflict. He also
asked George not to give the police his number.<br>
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About 15 minutes later, Matt received a call from the
police on behalf of Sonitrol (the building's security
contractors - George put Matt's number as primary
point-of-contact several months ago, despite numerous
requests for him not to). I was also in the room for this
conversation, and Matt's response was essentially, "This
is not our issue. The landlord has kicked a tenant out of
the building and it's between them." Matt answered their
questions to the extent of supplying them with some
descriptive characteristics (name and height), but did not
provide anything further (no personal complaints or
allegations). After the call, another sudoer present
informed Timon that the police had been called by George,
and Timon left the common space. All present in sudo room
at the time were uncomfortable about the police being
invoked, and none of us would willingly bring them into
our space regarding a nonviolent interpersonal conflict
(had that even been the case).<br>
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Sudo Room has a conflict resolution process for dealing with
conflicts in the community that was written in large part by
Matt himself. However, we have a contractual obligation to
our landlord that makes this particular situation
complicated (as we do not own the building and have no
jurisdiction over the landlord's decisions). Had Timon
actually been bothering people in the space at that time,
Matt would have either talked to him directly or requested
mediation by another sudoer. Hopefully this is an
unintentional miscommunication between George and Laurie,
but it seems they are trying to put sudo room in the middle
of their conflict with Timon.<br>
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Hoping this clarifies things so we can spend more time on
Wednesday investigating our new potential spaces rather than a
conflict that is not, in fact, between Sudo Room and Timon.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Timon
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Since I'll be at
the meeting, that will be a convenient time to have me
arrested, if anyone wishes.<br>
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<td>Laurie Cooperman Rosen <a
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<pre>p.s. the police came, but we thought it had been cancelled. They were
called because Matt said that you were bothering people, not because George
said that you can't be in there. Matt called us, we didn't call him.
Neither George nor I was privy to what led up to his call. Sonitrol called
the police and gave them Matt's #. The Police called Matt and Matt said
that you had left the room and that they didn't need to come, so we thought
it was done. An hour later we got a call from Matt; they showed up anyway
and George had to run down there. Not what we wanted on a Sunday eve.
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From: Timon [<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:timondocent@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:timondocent@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:54 PM
To: Laurie Cooperman Rosen
Subject: Expulsion from common area
On Friday night after we talked (sometime after 6:15PM, when he'd required
me to take his appointment), or perhaps between when I made my Monday
appointment with you yesterday (Saturday) afternoon and when I got back from
my volunteer/internship gig at about 6pm, George seems to have decided my
alleged "second chance" (as in "everyone deserves a second chance") was
retroactively canceled, and told people I was "not allowed" in the building.
After Sudo (Matt) asked me yesterday -- because of some direct communication
from George I do not know about (between 1:45PM and 6ish
PM) not to be in the Sudo room part of the common area yesterday night, and
out of respect for not wanting to put sudo room (the group: my friends and
colleagues, acquaintances and primary social millieu and
support) in a difficult place, I retrieved a few possessions and donations
and then left both sudo room's room and their common area section, and have
not returned, as I told everyone I would not.
Tonight, as I was peacefully eating my dinner and listening to a good
physics and game-theory lecture/conversation from OUTSIDE of the Sudo area
today, Matt handed me a phone, and said it was George. (I told George I was
recording it, mid-call, and he did not voice objection).
Per George, Matt had asked that I be required to leave. After George hung up
on me, saying he'd called the cops and would not "repeat himself " as I
asked for clarification, I found out the request didn't come from George.
I will not be in the common area, unless invited by The Public School, until
we talk. I doubt I would even if so invited, out of respect for anyone else
who should be spared this drama.
Feel free to cancel the call to the cops or not, as you see fit.
-Timon
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