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Yo David and anyone else who is up for a long read or three-<br>
<br>
(Apologies for the delay writing back, I had a pile of work to
clear.)<br>
<br>
Agreed, there are times when one has to choose one's fights, and not
everyone chooses the same fights at the same times. Looks like we
agree about fair use, anonymity, mesh, and the movement for
self-ownership of personal data. <br>
<br>
<br>
Fighting back with ideas:<br>
<br>
Majorly agreed re. "fight back ...with ideas." And "...all the tech
in the world won't help if people don't give a hoot because they're
too exhausted by the Spectacle-induced trance of capital etc. to
care, or don't see why its necessary or in their self-interest."
This point is HUGE, and it's rare to find others in the tech
universe who get it. Too often we confuse the tools with which we
build, and the things we build, with the purposes for which we
build.<br>
<br>
Martin Luther King had a dial phone and a typewriter. He changed
the world with the power of his ideas. Today each of us has a
supercomputer on our desk and/or in our pocket, and can reach an
audience of millions in the time it takes to blow our noses.<br>
<br>
What we lack is an idea: but not just "an" idea, rather a set of
ideas, an ecosystem of ideas that, taken together, open a new view
of the world and ourselves in it, and inspire people to think deeply
and act courageously. <br>
<br>
We've inherited a fortune in ideas from all of history, and yet it
appears that something is missing, something that could form a
bridge over which we can walk from the past and present into the
future. Perhaps it has something to do with the fact that happiness
is not identical with meaning. <br>
<br>
The Spectacle and the circuses can produce happiness, but what they
don't produce is a sense of meaning. Instead we're told, often by
our peers, that the most rational view is that life is meaningless,
that the universe has no purpose, and that only a religious or
romantic fool would believe otherwise. But two NOTs don't make an
AND: so what we're left with is a proverbial hole in our soul and
nothing to fill it. "The universe is DEAD!" is hardly a rallying
cry for sustainability, much less for revolution. <br>
<br>
I'm willing to take a chance on an idea, and call BS on the "life is
meaningless" meme. In point of fact the best available science
shows us that the sense of deeply felt meaning in relation to
something greater than self, is hardwired in our very brains, over
the course of Darwinian time. It has been one of the necessities
for passing the tests of natural selection throughout human history,
and will continue to be so in the foreseeable future. <br>
<br>
With that bit of empiricism under our belts, we can use what nature
has given us and seek out the objectives of our sense of meaning and
purpose in this new world of ours. Life is as inherently,
intrinsically, and un-commodifiably meaningful as we can see, hear,
reach out for, and act on. Seeking the objectives of meaning is how
we'll discover the ideas we so badly need.<br>
<br>
<br>
Money, information, and essence: <br>
<br>
Money can be represented in ordered bits, and the vast majority of
the world's money today is just that. As no configuration of bits
is thermodynamically privileged over any other, configurations are
orthogonal to thermodynamics (I have a couple of thought-experiments
to support that assertion). <br>
<br>
It would be an impressive magic trick to convert something physical
and impermanent, into a Platonic "form" that is eternal. Yet this
is exactly what Kapital does with human labor: feed a human some
calories, extract the converted energy of labor as a commodity, and
exchange it for configurations of bits that are immune to entropy.<br>
<br>
"...massive informationalization of our lives and in our language,
of experience and of concepts..." You make an excellent point
here. First I should say that I'm using the term "information" in a
broader sense than "data," including the "stuff" that makes up the
entire set of contents of conscious minds. But you're making a
really important distinction here, and I think we should start using
it and trying to make it go viral. <br>
<br>
What you're getting at with "language... experience... and
concepts..." is that there is something qualitative about us that
does not readily reduce to "information" as "data." David Chalmers
and others have lately started getting rather bold about bringing
back an oldschool term for this, that I think we should adopt:
qualia. <br>
<br>
Here we run into a kind of dualistic problem roughly analogous with
the physics of light as particles and waves. Language is clearly
transmissible in binary bits (and in analog waveforms), and
experience and concepts can be described in language. To that
extent, these things have an objective or quantitative existence.
But concepts and experience are only describable, and not truly
reducible in any sense. <br>
<br>
As with your example about roses (and noses): Even if we understood
all of the chemicals produced by the rose, and everything that
occurs in the nose and the brain to perceive the smell of roses,
that knowledge is entirely distinct from the direct experience of
smelling roses. That knowledge does not enable us to predict what
the subjective sensation of smelling roses will be like.
(Thankfully we don't have to worry about the internet monetization
of smells yet: we don't have smelleos, much less YouSniff, and
puritans trying to legislate against "pornolfactory" by saying "it's
hard to define but you know it when you smell it!")<br>
<br>
Qualia are different to objective knowledge. Neither is "better"
than the other; and we as humans live at once in both of those
worlds.<br>
<br>
The attempt to reduce experience to bits is not the fault of
science, but the fault of those whose goal is to relentlessly
monetise everything in existence without limit. Again, it's all
about trading in configurations of bits. This configuration of bits
that convey someone's emotions on their Facebook page, for that
configuration of bits that convey an advertiser's payment into
Facebook's bank account. This configuration of bits that convey
your thoughts and mine in email, for that configuration of bits that
convey a data broker's payment into Google's bank account. <br>
<br>
It's the most efficient form of human energy-conversion possible,
even "better" than slave labor because it's "voluntary" and humans
do it constantly. Perhaps Google's NSA-like AIs that scrape Gmail
for every microgram of commodity value, will read what you and I are
saying, and achieve something like Buddhist enlightenment. More
likely, we'll get red-flagged as philosophical subversives who might
disobey their consumption quotas.<br>
<br>
"...its a real mythology that needs unpacking." We're doing that
right here. All we need to do is put our ideas together, yours and
mine and anyone else who wants to jump into this, and find a way to
get them out to a wider public than this obscure mailing list. <br>
<br>
<br>
Math, markets: <br>
<br>
Your critique of math converges with the point about qualia. But in
this, we can differentiate between math as Platonic forms that
describe certain aspects of nature, and math as an instrumentality
for extracting energy-conversion (surplus value) from organisms. <br>
<br>
Markets aren't rational: agreed. Someone got a Nobel in economics
for saying that in a bunch of peer-reviewed papers and/or a book. <br>
<br>
Though, game theory isn't a "total fail." In fact it predicts why
globalization is bad. Experiments run with humans playing
Prisoner's Dilemma discovered something interesting: if you only
play one round, your self-interest advantage is to "defect" on the
other player to gain your freedom at the expense of his/her
incarceration, rather than "cooperate" with him/her to obtain
freedom for you both. Thus it became the conventional wisdom that
self-interest always entails screwing-over the other person. <br>
<br>
But then someone ran the game in "multiple iteration" mode, where
the same two players go through it multiple times. Under that
condition it turned out that the self-interest advantage is to
"cooperate" with the other player rather than "defect" on her/him.
<br>
<br>
The result is: single-iteration rewards defection;
multiple-iteration rewards cooperation. <br>
<br>
OK, so how does that apply to globalism? In a localized economy,
you encounter the same people over and over again: your economic
transactions with others are multiple-iteration play, and this
rewards cooperation, not screwing the other guy/gal. In a
globalized economy, one can engage in single-iteration play again
and again and again, all around the world. One can screw-over the
locals and then move on, finding someone else to screw-over before
the bad reputation catches up. <br>
<br>
Globalism rewards those whose self-interest strategy is "repeat
defection," in other words, rewards sociopaths. And, lo &
behold, since globalism has become the dominant paradigm, we see the
emergence of a whole new class of economic sociopaths, as
exemplified in the film _The Wolf Of Wall Street_. The lead
character in that film was if anything a bumbling oaf compared to
the master fraudsters who nearly destroyed the economy in 2008 and
then demanded and got gazillion-dollar "retention bonuses" paid for
by taxpayer bailout money. <br>
<br>
Game theory tells us something important about how this happened,
and gives us a powerful tool to oppose it: economic localization,
which rewards cooperation. <br>
<br>
"Scientific rationalism is in a way a beautiful dream, like a
wonderful, utopian idea, and a nice way to organize a representation
of the world... [but] we don't operate, for even one millisecond, as
rational creatures." Sometimes we do operate as rational creatures,
but I agree that for the most part we don't. <br>
<br>
For the most part, emotions determine behavior, and reason comes
along after-the-fact with an explanation. I can explain some of the
neuroscience behind that statement, but the main thing is, we agree
about the importance of emotions and qualia as factors in human
experience and the choices people make (or don't make, as the case
may be). <br>
<br>
From our lengthy conversation in email, I'm getting a sense of an
idea or two that may be liberating: that qualia really matter, that
we are not reducible to bits, that our lives are not to be
monetized, and that our minds (our souls, if one prefers that
language) are not to be bought and sold. We are persons, not
objects, and it is evil to treat a person as an object. Each person
has an entire universe within them. Each person has an intrinsic
and irreducible value. Cooperation, rather than competition alone,
is an essential in society, and people working together can build
something meaningful. Etc. etc. All of this has been said many
times before in other language, but it's time to update the language
to meet our present circumstances. The core message is about the
worth of each person, and the right of each person to be
self-determining, subject only to the limit of not harming others.<br>
<br>
Dude, you are awesome.<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14-02-03-Mon 6:43 AM, David Keenan
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">damn, g. when you write you right.
<div><br>
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<div>You're completely on point - but of course, I actually do
care a lot about this issue. All I was inferring is once in a
while the time comes to just shift productive energies into a
new paradigm and maybe stop playing whack-a-mole with
unsecurable modalities like email, and instead work on using
something better to replace it. Same with the declining fair
use and vanishing anonymity of the internet in general - the
wonderful work the mesh folk are doing are to me a really big
part of this solution. I almost mentioned something about
appropriation (or feeding biting hands styrofoam peanuts) as a
tactic being a noble way to cannabilize and take back our
infrastructure that our tax dollars largely built, so I am
100% with you there. I have also said many times myself how we
need to start a movement to have a right to data about
ourselves, so I am thrilled to hear you say the same thing.
Absolutely. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>When it comes to the event, we need to fight back with
technological tools, but also with ideas. Not sure which is
more important (or if thats even worth asking), they might be
equal, but for me it comes down on the side of ideas, as all
the tech in the world won't help if people don't give a hoot
because they're too exhausted by the Spectacle-induced trance
of capital etc to care, or dont see why its necessary or in
their self-interest. I fully support the cryptoparties - what
we also need are the crypto-semantic frames i guess, to help
us put this fucking insane world where companies pirate and
monitize our digital lives into a moral logic everyone, even
our grandmas, can all intuitively grasp and therefore resist.
Drive the demand as it were, for 'privacy'. I see events like
this being part of that conversation on the side of ideas, but
the cryptoparties, and making them less technically abstruse,
are the other half for sure. Theory + practice = praxis, we
need both.</div>
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[I have to break up your long paragraphs into shorter ones for
legibility; I'm dyslexic and my eyes have trouble tracking lines in
large blocks of text.]<br>
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cite="mid:CABhLtjw4ovqqPA+-jAG4DW0PHKd7j4d3eEEeOrnB4P8Wn9-qkg@mail.gmail.com"
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<div><br>
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<div>You know the only thing I'm not totally sure I agree with
is that money is information..if we're talking about money and
not capital I might agree, if we're talking about capital
(which of course is not just 'money') I'm too tired to know if
I agree or not. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>On the one hand, I am wary of what I see everywhere as a
massive informationalization of our lives and in our language,
of experience and of concepts... a scientism really thats
always trying to quantify the qualitative - or at least,
valorize the former and dismiss the later, if it cannot
transmute it. Its a naturalizing, essentializing cultural
phenomenon wherein we are led to simply accept without
question that the essential aspect of anything in the world is
ultimately 'information': </div>
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<div>Music is 'information', plants are 'information', we -
online and in our 'genes' and 'dna' - the universe - are
fundamentally reduceable to codes, chemical properties, etc. I
suspect this aspect of our culture is tied to capital ideology
(marx: 'they don't know it, but they are doing it') and
biopower (think Patrick McCuehen saying 'I am not a number! I
am a FREE MAN!'), although I can't think of how right now,
because as I said I'm pretty tired, but anyway its a real
mythology that needs unpacking, or totalizing kool-aid that
needs a bit of unslurping. </div>
</div>
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<div>Nothing against 'information' or using 'information' as but
one metaphor with which analyze the workings of the world, but
we should never mistake our tools of analysis - i.e., our
abstracted representation of reality, like calling the smell
of a rose 'information' - for reality itself, and it seems
like that's whats actually happening at some level. We must be
epistemologically reflexive and catch ourselves before we fall
into that trap. So, I have to think a lot before I decide that
money is 'at its root' essentializable as 'information', too.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Along the same lines another argument against money as
essentially, fundamentally 'information' thing is this notion
that its ultimately governed by 'math', or that the cycle of
capital exploiting our surplus labor value is ultimately
governed by math, or that financial markets are ultimately
governed by math. </div>
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<div>I'm not sure I agree, because markets are also ultimately
governed by human beings, who are not just information, and
human beings, as Plato well knew, but maybe Adam Smith and
Descartes did not, are simply not rational. At all. This is in
large part why game theory is a total fail, why people vote
against their economic self-interest, and also why people are
not outraged at the deprivation of their digital liberty, etc.
</div>
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<div>Scientific rationalism is in a way a beautiful dream, like
a wonderful, utopian idea, and a nice way to organize a
representation of the world, but it is not <i>the</i> world,
and we don't operate, for even one millisecond, as rational
creatures. Just as we do not build up the world out of a
series of concepts - we just ARE in the world, all at once,
and from that, we think of concepts to organize it with, for
ourselves. We are subject to cognitive and emotional centers
in our brain that were indirectly induced to connect in
accordance with certain decidedly a-rational cultural ways and
mores through processes of socialization of which we had no
control...</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Folks are tempted to think about 'math' as something pure,
a religion practically, but how often do people get reflexive
about math? Like the fact that we can't conceive of 'math'
without also simultaneously conceiving of metaphors that have
nothing whatsoever to actually do with math, but without which
we could not perform math: If I say one is a 'higher' number
than two, that has no strictly mathematical meaning. </div>
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<div>One is not 'higher' than two. An increase in quantity is
not an increase in height. It's simply an increase in
quantity. And yet numbers go 'up'. Makes no sense
man...mathematically. But it does at the level of non-math, in
real life, because if I pour you a glass of water, the
quantity increases as the level rises. But what if we lived in
a society where I we poured water out on the floor and drank
it from there. Would you say that numbers go up or down? Hm.
So math itself is actually utterly imbricated with entirely
qualitative dimensions that only make sense from the
perspective of human experience. And so is not so pure: the
basis for 'money', perhaps, after all.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Sleep now. Good nite.. and thanks for your awesome email..</div>
<div>-d </div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 5:15 AM, GtwoG
PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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David, it's not to your discredit, it's to the discredit
of Kapital, and it's been foisted on the whole
Neo-Proletariat, which is anyone making less than six
figures a year (look up union wages in 1974 and then apply
increases at the rate of inflation every year with
compound interest: that's what we all _should_ be earning
right now). We shouldn't blame ourselves for getting
screwed.<br>
<br>
Here's another example of Kapital sinking its hooks into
our brains (I'm quoting you here not to criticize you, but
to illustrate how common this type of dynamic has
become): "Personally, once I gave up on email qua email
as being meaningfully secure, I sort of stopped caring who
my provider was."<br>
<br>
The emotional narrative in that sentence is: "...once I
gave up... I sort of stopped caring..."<br>
<br>
That's what the Bigs want us to do: give up and stop
caring, the better to spend our efforts producing and
consuming. And they are enormously clever at how they go
about it: too much work, just enough bread, and plenty of
circuses. About which more below under "Kapital."<br>
<br>
Where you say "I really don't have an answer for this
one," that makes the vitally important point that we ALL
need answers to this. The fact that we don't have
comprehensive answers and solutions shows exactly where
our efforts need to be. <br>
<br>
Agreed, email is broken. IMHO the whole internet
architecture is broken (don't get me started;-) but in any
case we need new infrastructure and a solid collaborative
effort to build it. Not just "good enough for coders
& geeks to use" but "good enough for your grandmother
to use without you providing tech support." You shouldn't
have to _teach_ people to use crypto: it should be
built-in, with nothing more than a check in a box to
encrypt/decrypt email. The global community of hackers
can build all of that and much more if we choose.<br>
<br>
Good point about "metadata" being a euphemism to obscure
the fact that it's OUR data. In the past I've used the
term "CDR" for "call detail records," a telephony term
that has lately been in the news since it's what NSA gets
from our phone calls (date, time, calling number, called
number, duration of call); it could also be used to refer
to email to/from addresses and subject headers. But "OUR
data," emphasis on OUR, is better, because it's so direct
and assertive. <br>
<br>
This translates to something specific we should be
demanding: personal ownership of all data about ourselves,
without compromise. Treat it like copyright with
exceptions for fair use. Make the maximum demand, so that
when the usual attempts at legislative watering-down
occur, we still get something better than if we had tried
to "be reasonable" and "pre-compromise" our demands. <br>
<br>
If it's necessary to use Facebook for publicity, the way
to do it is by using a fictitious name & email address
for the FB account, and then putting up a message on the
Facebook page saying "find us _here_ (link)," which goes
to a website on a more trustworthy hosting service. Then,
that website does not have the accursed Facebook
beacon-button on it that lets Facebook follow people
around like a stalker. (Anyone who can't bother clicking
a link that goes off Facebook, isn't worth the effort to
reach. Seriously.) <br>
<br>
That's the answer to having to feed the hand that bites:
Feed it styrofoam peanuts with no food value. Use its own
infrastructure sparingly and temporarily, as a way to get
people to leave it behind. For example, one of the topics
at the surveillance event ought to be a how-to for getting
the snoops & stalkers out of our lives: dumping
Google, installing security apps on your browser,
installing an OFF switch in your mobile device, etc., all
with specifics: this email service, this app, here's where
to find it, how to do it, etc.<br>
<br>
About Kapital:<br>
<br>
Karl Marx got it almost-right, but "surplus value" is an
abstraction: the real deal is the Second Law of
Thermodynamics. Kapital depends on "energy conversion."
What humans are to Kapital, are highly efficient
energy-converters that turn calories into money. The
abstraction layer is between the work output of the human
organism, and the translation of that into money. At
root, money is energy converted to information. And
information is ultimately Platonic, governed by math and
orthogonal to thermodynamics. <br>
<br>
The goal of Kapital is to extract every calorie that's not
needed to keep the energy-converters producing and
consuming. Latest example: Amazon's patent for
"predictive shipping," where they send you things that you
haven't ordered, but Amazon predicts you'll want, on the
premise that you'll probably keep them. Translation:
people will pay for the "stuff" because they're too tired
to deal with the hassle of returning it. Amazon
predicts, humans acquiesce.<br>
<br>
The reason that so many people "give up and stop caring"
is that they are being sucked dry. Think of all the "too
tired" moments and what they have in common.<br>
<br>
In the end, the scam is self-limiting. Kapital thrives on
the exponential function: the unlimited growth of money
and the economy despite the limits of a finite planet.
Kapital will break as it runs into resource limits,
including the limits of humans to relentlessly produce and
relentlessly consume. <br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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<div>On 14-02-03-Mon 2:33 AM, David Keenan wrote:<br>
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<div>Matt, I will bring up your point at the next
organizing meeting for sure. Thank you for being
willing to sponsor.</div>
<div><br>
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Yardena - your point is exceedingly well taken, as
I sit here from my gmail account, writing about
how if want to do the event, we should post it on
facebook...sigh.
<div> <br>
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<div>To my discredit, I really don't have an
answer for this one except that in my opinion,
email as a medium is itself an inherently broken
means of secure communication, a lotta people on
sudo have google accounts, and yeah sudo posts
regularly to facebook, which is why I asked..
Sometimes you have to reach out to people in an
archaic medium they already grok - like on a
listserv, or fb - in order to tell them that is
maybe not The Best Way. <br>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
Personally, once I gave up on email qua email
as being meaningfully secure, I sort of
stopped caring who my provider was. Or
teaching people how to encrypt their message
content, only to have them never get that
doesn't secure their attachments or the
"metadata" or render messages readable from
the web from any device anymore or or or (I
kind of hate the term metadata btw, as in mass
culture 'metadata' has seemingly come to infer
something other than 'our' data, and as if
metadata is not also our data, just like our
non-meta data). </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
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<div class="gmail_extra">But yes for sure, if we
care about 'privacy', we DO need to be off fb
(and onto building up diaspora or something
similar), and, we need to be off email. And
use some darkmail, or otr or a private forum
or something else. </div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">I feel like for us to
all get off fb, we need a real alternative to
go to, and a campaign. Same with email. But
before we build that up.. using fb/email or
not using it, it seems like being caught
between a rock and a hard place when trying to
promote an event but not feed the biting hand,
you know?</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br>
</div>
<div class="gmail_extra">As this is precisely
the position I feel like the system of capital
as a whole places us in, far beyond mark
zuckerberg and google and 'big data': We can't
help but feed the hand that bites us. We
'need' to be bitten, so our traumatized,
bitten selves can feed somebody or something
else..often while simultaneously handing a
bite to somebody else less powerful, as in in
the case of gentrification. If that partially
re-inverted idiom still makes any sense..which
um, no, looks like it doesn't. Well. Sorry,
tired. But I totally get you.</div>
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at 1:12 AM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span
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Re. "what does the rest of sudo think?"<br>
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Microphones & cameras on
shot-spotters? What about the
software-controlled mics & cameras
on smartphones, that people carry into
indoor places where the DAC cameras and
mics can't go? If it doesn't have a
physical OFF switch or a removable
battery, it's always ON.<br>
<br>
NSA snooping your metadata? What about
Google Mail and Google Voice scraping
the full content of both sides of every
email & conversation for everything
down to the level of "sentiment
analysis" which is a euphemism for
spying on your emotions? "Targeted
advertising" is a distraction; Big Data
is the real product.<br>
<br>
DAC data center creepy? What about
Facebook creepy, and Sudo having a
Facebook page, even as Mark Zuckerberg
spends $16 million to buy up every house
on his block, so his neighbors can't do
unto him that which he does unto
others...? <br>
<br>
Big Power is inherently corrupt wherever
it resides. Big Data is Big Power.
Even if it has good marketing, cute
logos, total convenience, free apps,
free games, and endless entertainment.<br>
<br>
Corporate power says "don't bite the
hand that feeds you."<br>
<br>
Resistance says "don't feed the hand
that bites you."<br>
<br>
-G.<br>
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<div>what does t<span></span>he
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On Sunday, February 2, 2014,
Jeremy Entwistle <<a
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think that's an amazing
idea. How to do you feel
about the mesh and our
cryptoparty (2/23) being
mentioned? As both are very
practical methods of
promoting secure and
decentralized
communications.<br>
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On 2014-02-01 21:58, David
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Hey all,<br>
<br>
The Bay Area Public School
has scheduled a
surveillance awareness<br>
event on Friday 2/21 7-9pm
in the common room
entitled Spied Upon:<br>
Surveillance &
Resistance. I was hoping
we (sudo) could co-host
this<br>
event with BAPS, because I
think it'd be really cool
if we start doing<br>
more events together. BAPS
can do most all of the
setup, but it'd be<br>
great if Sudo can do
outreach too, since I
think it'd be in the<br>
interest of both
communities.<br>
<br>
What do you think?<br>
<br>
There's a twofold focus on
informants and
technological
surveillance.<br>
Here's the Sudo Room
calendar EVENT LINK [1].
Details are below -<br>
<br>
SPIED UPON: SURVEILLANCE
AND RESISTANCE<br>
Join us Friday February
21st 7-9 pm at the Bay
Area Public School [2]<br>
& Sudo Room<br>
2141 Broadway (enter on
22nd), Oakland - three
blocks from 19th St.<br>
Bart!<br>
<br>
Between the ever-present
fear of informants to the
profusion of<br>
metadata collection and
the construction of the
Domain Awareness<br>
Center [3] (DAC) in
Oakland, the growing
problem of surveillance
has<br>
made it into the
mainstream dialog, but the
people and communities<br>
most affected are
sometimes being left out
of the conversation.<br>
<br>
Join us for an evening of
ideas, discussion and
questions about<br>
solidarity in the face of
this intimidation. How do
we support one<br>
another and our movements
when being targeted by
police, surveillance<br>
and informants? What are
the legal, community and
political responses<br>
that can best keep the
larger "us" safe and allow
our movements to<br>
flourish?<br>
<br>
- SPEAKERS -<br>
JASON KIRKPATRICK,
filmmaker and activist,
will show clips of and<br>
discuss his upcoming film,
_SPIED UPON_ [4].
Interviewing activists<br>
across the world and
telling his own personal
story, Jason will take<br>
us on a journey into one
of Europe's biggest
political surveillance<br>
scandals, documenting
growing movements of
resistance to surveillance<br>
along the way.<br>
<br>
ZAHRA BILLOO, Civil rights
attorney and Executive
Director at the Bay<br>
Area COUNCIL ON
AMERICAN-ISLAMIC RELATIONS
[5] (CAIR), speaks on the<br>
use of informants in a
post-9/11 context, their
impact, the<br>
community's resistance and
lessons learned.<br>
<br>
RICHARD BROWN, Black
Panther and member of the
SF8 [6], will share his<br>
history with undercover
police and surveillance,
imparting the 'long<br>
view' of solidarity
learned from a lifetime of
activism.<br>
<br>
- PANEL DISCUSSION -<br>
Q & A with the
speakers will follow in
conversation with<br>
representatives from:<br>
BAY AREA ANTI-REPRESSION
COMMITTEE [7]<br>
BAY AREA COALITION TO STOP
POLITICAL REPRESSION [8]
(at AROC)<br>
LEGAL WORKERS OF THE
NATIONAL LAWYERS GUILD [9]
(NLG)<br>
OAKLAND PRIVACY WORKING
GROUP [10] (OPWG /
anti-DAC)<br>
<br>
All donations gratefully
received will go to the
Bay Area<br>
Anti-Repression Committee
and the Legal Workers at
the Bay Area<br>
chapter of the NLG - two
groups long supporting the
Bay Area radical<br>
community with legal and
educational assistance.
Thank you!<br>
<br>
Links:<br>
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[1] <a
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href="https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/spied-upon-bay-area-premiere-baps/"
target="_blank">https://sudoroom.org/ai1ec_event/spied-upon-bay-area-premiere-baps/</a><br>
[2] <a
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href="http://thepublicschool.org/node/36455"
target="_blank">http://thepublicschool.org/node/36455</a><br>
[3] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center"
target="_blank">http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center</a><br>
[4] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://spiedupon.com/"
target="_blank">http://spiedupon.com/</a><br>
[5] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cair.com/"
target="_blank">http://www.cair.com/</a><br>
[6] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.freethesf8.org/who.html"
target="_blank">http://www.freethesf8.org/who.html</a><br>
[7] <a
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href="https://oaklandantirepression.wordpress.com/"
target="_blank">https://oaklandantirepression.wordpress.com/</a><br>
[8]<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://araborganizing.org/campaigns-our-work/coalition-to-stop-political-repression/"
target="_blank">http://araborganizing.org/campaigns-our-work/coalition-to-stop-political-repression/</a><br>
[9] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.nlgsf.org/national-lawyers-guild-mission-statement"
target="_blank">http://www.nlgsf.org/national-lawyers-guild-mission-statement</a><br>
[10] <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://oaklandprivacy.wordpress.com/"
target="_blank">https://oaklandprivacy.wordpress.com/</a><br>
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