<div dir="ltr">A major part of going to a brand-name school (Harvard, MIT) is the networking and community that you join.<div><br></div><div>Just like Startup Accelerators/Incubators (another potential shady scheme!) if your school doesn't actually put you in touch with the right people, it's going to be much harder to find the success one seeks.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anca.</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I know the people that run HackBright - it's legit, and they do place their students in very well paying jobs. They have extremely competent instructors. They are very selective about choosing the right people....<div>
<br></div><div> but just as importantly, they market their students to Silicon Valley Start-ups, and frequently take their students to networking dinners. that's one of the key actions a hacker school must take, building relationships, in order for their students to get good job offers. </div>
<div><br></div><div><ul><li>Is a government accreditation agency going to recognize that the networking component is crucial for such schools, justifying their costs?</li><li>Could a fly by night online education start-up make similar claims that their students get amazing salaries... but lack these crucial networking events? </li>
</ul><div><br></div><div>Wow, googling "trade school fraud" opens up a whole can of worms:</div><div><br></div><div><ul><li><a href="http://wp.tradeschoolscams.com/gainful-employment-regs-its-up-to-the-states/" target="_blank">http://wp.tradeschoolscams.com/gainful-employment-regs-its-up-to-the-states/</a><br>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 8:19 AM, David Rorex <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:drorex@gmail.com" target="_blank">drorex@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">Some of the "hacker schools" are awesome, 99% of the students love them, and some of them are basically scams. But they are all very expensive (eg HackBright gets nearly universal acclaim, but it's $15,000 for an 8 week class), and it's hard to tell which one is awesome and which one is a scam just by looking at their websites. So some sort of oversight / regulation is needed, but I'm not sure what the best way is. There's plenty of other vocational schools (all those ones that promise to get you a high paying job as a dental assistant or pharmacy technician or whatever) that are mostly scams and yet are unaffected by the current regulatory framework in place.</div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Sun, Feb 2, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Romy Ilano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:romy@snowyla.com" target="_blank">romy@snowyla.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Here's a good Fast Company article, they highlight the people who paid the money but didn't find jobs:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.fastcompany.com/3023456/become-an-ios-developer-in-8-weeks-the-truth-about-hack-schools" target="_blank">http://www.fastcompany.com/3023456/become-an-ios-developer-in-8-weeks-the-truth-about-hack-schools</a></div>
<div><br></div><div><ul><li>One example was pretty weird... there was a pregnant woman who enered dev bootcamp, and she couldn't compete with her 12 hours study days against others who were studying 16 hours a day. -- wow! what were they thinking? I think a hacker bootcamp would be a terrible idea for a pregnant woman / new parent. </li>
</ul><div><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><ul><li>One hacker school is in the Midwest, where there aren't that many mobile developer jobs and they were training people to be iOS Developers. Kind of weird. <br></li>
</ul><div><br></div><div>I love hacker schools, but they have to be extremely selective if they advertise to people that graduating students are going to get $70K a year jobs after only 10-15 weeks of study. The advertising of salaries is what bothers me a lot... </div>
<div><br></div><div>As we've been discussing, I see totally shady for-profit institutions copying the hacker idea and fleecing unqualified students in the future. I don't want the good hacker schools to get shut down :(</div>
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