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In summary I agree with Chris about this: It should be possible for
people to handle having a couple of beers without becoming obnoxious
or raising a liability risk. If someone is intoxicated to the point
where they're obnoxious (such as e.g. chasing someone around who
doesn't want to talk to them), that's a problem. And for liability
reasons if nothing else, SR shouldn't be treated as "the party" or
"the after-party."<br>
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The key distinctions are between "casual occurrence" vs "event," and
between "alcohol as beverage incidental to e.g. a meal" vs "getting
loaded." <br>
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"Events" where alcohol is "served" or even "made available" run the
risk that if something bad happens, SR could be fined for operating
an unlicensed nightclub. Per a recent news story about a fight at a
warehouse party, the persons responsible were facing a $60,000 fine
for that. <br>
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Alice & Bob bring over a pizza and a sixpack to share with
friends, is "casual" and the alcohol is "incidental to the meal."
The small number of persons involved, and the small amount of
alcohol involved, reduce the risks to negligible. <br>
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"Getting loaded" falls into the legal definition of intoxication,
which is a minefield of liability. If someone gets loaded _at_ SR
and then gets in a fight or auto accident, their defense attorney
would almost certainly bring SR into the chain of liability.<br>
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Even "get loaded _somewhere else_, then head to Sudo" is a risk,
since one has to get from "somewhere else" to SR, and that means
being intoxicated in public or DUI. If "get loaded somewhere else"
is "policy" or even "understood," then SR becomes entangled in the
chain of causality if a problem occurs. <br>
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If a few individuals' repeat behavior is a cause of these issues
becoming "issues," then it's likely that they have drinking
problems. SR is not obligated to accommodate those behaviors, and
the people involved should face up to their situations. <br>
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-G<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14-02-16-Sun 7:17 PM, Chris Bee
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<div>...I feel really awkward proposing this, but
lately it seems like the thing to do with some
of the newcomers goes something like this-<br>
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1. Get loaded somewhere else<br>
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2. Head to Sudo<br>
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3. ???<br>
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4. RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE!!! (and/or pass out, depending)<br>
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As someone who used to do this on a nightly basis, I kind
of get it but even in my finer moments I don't think I
would have shown up at a space where people were trying to
work and expected a warm reception. And, as someone who
has chosen to embrace sobriety I have no quarrel with
people who haven't, but since I haven't really developed
the patience required to deal with drunk folks yet I tend
to retreat or act somewhat distant towards them. Sometimes
this results in them chasing me around the space because
they want to "hang out," especially if I'm working on
music stuff...that's okay if they can do so in a
non-disruptive manner, but I'm kind of screwed if they
can't so I'm more or less forced to deal with them or
(sacre bleu!) leave Sudo to try to get shit done.<br>
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What I am NOT proposing is making Sudo a sober space. If it
comes to that, sure, but as a first measure I think it's
heavy handed and doesn't really serve the interests of the
community that can have a couple of beers and function
equally well as without. I think what I am asking is that
we, as a group, need to send the message that Sudo is not
the afterparty, and that if it continues to be treated like
one that the individuals involved will be asked to leave for
the night. I think being somewhat forgiving in this
situation is probably not a bad idea...and of course,
repeated behavior of this sort will probably be brought up
in a meeting (i.e. is having ***** around worth it?) and
appropriate action will be taken.<br>
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<div>Needless to say, Sudo/BAPS events would be more or less
exempt since the actual drinking will be taking place here
and any situations that arise from said drinking will be
dealt with as needed.<br>
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I would like to hear what everyone has to say about this.<br>
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-chrisbee<br>
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