<div>haven't gone through the whole thread yet but to respond, this would be something where i would just want to design it to be compatible with the mesh nodes to make it easier for those wanting to participate to do so. i haven't lifted a finger on helping out with the mesh project so i wouldn't presume to add more work for y'all.<br /><br /></div>
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<div class="replyBody">on Mar 14, 2014, <b>Max B</b> <maxb.personal@gmail.com> wrote:<br />
<blockquote class="email_quote" style="border-left: 2px solid #267fdb; margin: 0 0 0 1.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> could this be a potential optional addon module to the mesh nodes?<br /><br />It would likely more than double the current price. Not to mention the<br />extra time and energy it would divert. As someone who's been working<br />with sudomesh for the last year, I would much much rather this kind of<br />money, time, and energy be focused on actually building a functional and<br />useful network. If an independent node operator wanted to set up an<br />audio mic, that would be entirely their business, but as an org, I think<br />it's unlikely sudomesh would be interested.<br /><br />On 03/14/2014 05:01 PM, Hol Gaskill wrote:<br />> setting up a system like this would have a powerful effect on the public safety <br />> narrative - if the public is able to self-organize a better solution at a low <br />> cost and share the data directly with everyone, it makes alot less sense for <br />> public officials to propose alternatives wherein our freedoms are demanded in <br />> exchange for whatever degree of security is theoretically offered. who's saying <br />> it has to be the police that respond? if the data is made public people could <br />> show up and videotape or whatever, or reconsider going to that area within the <br />> next hour, generally use that info however they see fit.<br />> <br />> i think using gps clock signal or a realtime clock IC such as a ds1307 we could <br />> get pretty good time data. a condenser mic doing amplitude and spectral (audio <br />> range) analysis would be enough to check for gunshots, maybe car crashes, <br />> sirens, etc, without storing or transmitting the actual audio. could this be a <br />> potential optional addon module to the mesh nodes?<br />> on Mar 14, 2014, *Patrik D'haeseleer* <<a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br />> <br />> Very interesting! That $264,000/yr fee does seem outrageous - once the<br />> system is installed, there should be relatively little maintenance to keep<br />> it running.<br />> <br />> I wonder if the company will be disabling or retrieving the microphones when<br />> the contract ends. It's possible the city is only "leasing" the equipment.<br />> Or that the company has build in some sort of self-destruct to prevent<br />> cities taking over the network without them...<br />> FWIW, I do think ShotSpotter is a useful technology, but it needs to be<br />> designed with some ethical issues in mind (e.g. not collecting and<br />> transmitting more information than is required for its stated purpose). I<br />> think that Sudo Room taking over and overhauling the existing network in a<br />> completely open-source fashion would be a great thing to do. That way people<br />> could satisfy themselves that the technology only does what it claims to do.<br />> Patrik<br />> <br />> <br />> On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jake <<a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">jake@spaz.org</a> <<a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:jake@spaz.org" target="_blank">mailto:jake@spaz.org</a>>><br />> wrote:<br />> <br />> what do people think of the shotspotter system installed in oakland?<br />> <br />> it's a network of microphones on telephone poles, each with a GPS (for a<br />> precise clock) and a network connection. When a gunshot-like sound is<br />> detected, they send the sound and its precise timing to a central server<br />> that determines the location of the shot, and tells the police to go there.<br />> <br />> some people have expressed concern that the microphones are used to spy<br />> on people, but it would be impossible to hear a conversation from the<br />> top of a telephone pole that wasnt already loud enough to be heard<br />> inside nearby houses (or the phone in your pocket).<br />> <br />> apparently the city pays $264,000 per year to keep shotspotter going. I<br />> think sudoroom people could do it for much less if they thought it was a<br />> useful thing. They would be discontinuing it to save money, or perhaps<br />> to avoid having to send cops to do actual work once in a while...<br />> <br />> i mean.. sending police toward the gunfire? sounds like a good idea...<br />> <br />> <a class="parsedLink" href="http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Oakland-cops-aim-to-scrap-gunfire-detecting-5316060.php" target="_blank">http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/Oakland-cops-aim-to-scrap-gunfire-detecting-5316060.php</a><br />> _______________________________________________<br />> sudo-discuss mailing list<br />> <a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a> <<a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>><br />> <a class="parsedLink" href="https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br />> <br />> <br />> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------<br />> <br />> _______________________________________________<br />> sudo-discuss mailing list<br />> <a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a> <<a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a>><br />> <a class="parsedLink" href="https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br />> <br />> <br />> <br />> _______________________________________________<br />> sudo-discuss mailing list<br />> <a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br />> <a class="parsedLink" href="https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br />> <br />_______________________________________________<br />sudo-discuss mailing list<br /><a class="parsedEmail" href="mailto:sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org" target="_blank">sudo-discuss@lists.sudoroom.org</a><br /><a class="parsedLink" href="https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss" target="_blank">https://lists.sudoroom.org/listinfo/sudo-discuss</a><br /><br /></blockquote>
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