<div dir="ltr">I don't think anything is going to stop Sudo Room from giving critical commentary on things posted to the list. The real issue seems that we should have created a separate thread to talk about "start-up houses" that wasn't in direct response to a thread asking for a specific kind of help.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<br>
Pete's "keep the critical commentary to a minimum" = "don't worry,
be happy." Right, we should only criticise The Government, not
entrepreneurs (especially never criticise Google or Facebook), and
if we're really really lucky, some of us might hit the jackpot and
make the bigtime bucks. Right.<br>
<br>
When I was getting started, it was understood from widespread
experience, "don't live with your coworkers, you'll drive each other
crazy." <br>
<br>
24/7 immersion? No place to escape from work, no time to escape
from work.<br>
<br>
Double rooms? No privacy or solitude, even when you're sleeping.<br>
<br>
Manage a tech biz that's also a collective household? "Item 3 at
today's Board meeting is, Who is leaving dishes in the sink? (the
kitchen camera wasn't working last week), and item 4 is nasty
bathroom smells (the bathroom camera is working so we know who you
are)."<br>
<br>
Relationship problems? Expect them to become a Topic of
Conversation with all of your coworkers. (What relationship?,
you're sleeping next to your boss.) <br>
<br>
Meat-eaters, vegetarians, vegans? Experience the thrill of
"competition" over deciding kitchen policy. If you lose, tough, you
can eat somewhere other than home, if you don't mind being left out
of important meetings over dinner.<br>
<br>
Misc. details of your personal life all subject to group process,
and don't you dare complain because this all goes on your resume,
and getting thrown out of the house is Very Bad for your career. <br>
<br>
It's Reality TV meets Social Darwinism, and that's a show you ought
to think twice about starring in.<br>
<br>
For those who wish to try it, good luck, but remember that "luck"
isn't a scientific theory or an engineering principle. <br>
<br>
And if you really want 24/7 immersion, join the military, and get
your hands on some really awesome technology! Who needs big screens
and video games when you have a real tank? <br>
<br>
-G. <br>
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<div>On 14-03-28-Fri 12:41 PM, Pete Forsyth
wrote:<br>
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<div>Want to chime in with a general observation: this thread
was started as an effort to find one or two people who ARE
excited about the idea, and want to devote substantial energy
to making it happen.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>Instead there has been a lot of commentary about why it
might NOT be the "idea that saves Oakland" or whatever.<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>I think it's important this list be a resource for people
looking for partners to hack on stuff with. I am sure I'm like
lots of you, 99% of the stuff that gets proposed is not going
to motivate me to the point of rolling up my sleeves and
getting to work. Some hacking projects are up your alley, some
are not.<br>
<br>
Couldn't we try to keep the critical commentary to a minimum?
So list members can find people to work with with more easily?<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>-Pete<br>
</div>
<div>[[User:Peteforsyth]] on the wiki<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:25 PM,
Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Did you like how in college you didn't have
to worry about taking care of your self or putting any
effort in to making friends and connections? Then come
live at a start-up house, where money > REAL LIFE.<br>
</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:21
PM, Phil Wolff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pwolff@gmail.com" target="_blank">pwolff@gmail.com</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>
<div>So here's the pitch: <br>
<br>
You want to come to Silicon Valley and be a
successful founder while you're still young,
hungry, and unencumbered? <br>
<br>
</div>
You'll need a place to stay, great network
connectivity, partners (this is a team sport),
connections, and mentors. Location matters:
you'll want ready access to neighborhood
conveniences; to San Francisco, Palo Alto, and
San Jose tech/finance hubs; to parking and
transit. <br>
<br>
</div>
If you're admitted to the Acme House: You'll
get...<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<ul>
<li>24x7 immersion in startup culture,
just the way Facebook started. <br>
</li>
<li>Great bandwidth, food, whiteboard
walls, projectors, infinite post-its,
and everything you need to focus</li>
<li>Serious networking opportunities
within the house, the better to find
partners</li>
<li>Access to an angel network and other
outside networking opportunities</li>
<li>Weekly check-ins with our
incubator-vetted mentors <br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>We limit the time you can spend here.
We expect you to graduate to your own
space inside a year. <br>
</p>
<p>Here's the reality: </p>
<ul>
<li>This is more expensive than a simple
real-estate play. You're writing
checks for recruiting, project staff,
common facilities, and housekeeping
(frat house squalor) above and beyond
rent. You're selling
rent+incubatorship+camaraderie and
have to make that case. Most houses or
apartment buildings in Oakland need
some expensive retrofitting to get
high bandwidth and enough power and
outlets. Fiber is relatively
unavailable (although San Leandro has
local fiber loops). Depending on where
you locate, working things out with
neighbors and City permits can be time
consuming and costly. <br>
</li>
<li>The money comes <br>
</li>
<ul>
<li>from tenants (charging a big
premium to people relatively
unwilling to pay it) or <br>
</li>
<li>from investors (who subsidize the
house in exchange for equity or
rights to equity) or <br>
</li>
<li>from collateral sources (producers
of a reality TV show; sponsors who
seek some marketing advantage). <br>
</li>
</ul>
<li>You have to fight expensive churn:
very high startup failure rates drive
tenants out, there's drama from close
quarters, and tenants move out if they
find outside funding or co-founders
living elsewhere in the Bay. Normal
landlords seek long term tenants who
pay on time without fuss. <br>
</li>
</ul>
<p>So it's tough. <br>
</p>
<p>It would really help if the house has a
tight focus. B2B Growth Hacks startups.
Neurochem tech startups.
Wearables/fashion/QS consumer startups.
Health/clinical startups. This assures a
more valuable space design (e.g. arduino
startups would need a good hacker space)
more synergy, better chances of
connections having value, and an easier
time attracting partners, investors,
media. <br>
</p>
<p>- Phil<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28,
2014 at 10:15 AM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr"> I don't understand
start-up houses - why not rent a house
with roomates? What is the value added
of the start up house?<br>
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On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:53 AM,
Jehan Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">A guy I work
with started and ran one in
SOMA for a year. I asked
whether he would like to
help on this, but he is sick
of that kind of stuff.
<div>
<br>
</div>
<div>They basically took
over an empty building
(legally), and renovated
it into sort of a cross
between a hostel and a
community home for
entrepreneurs (and
wantrepreneurs) from out
of town.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They charged around
$1000 a month for a dorm
like situation where you
would share a room. That's
definitely a pretty high
price, and may make people
want to start yelling
about rent-seeking
capitalists, but the
reality is that they
barely turned a profit on
that after a year, after
legal and construction
expenses.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>They basically spent
the whole time fighting
the SF zoning bureaucracy,
and were really just
delaying their inevitable
expulsion from the
building by the city.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>You could probably
reduce expenses
considerably by-</div>
<div>1) using volunteer
construction labor under
some cooperative scheme
(you'll still need to pay
a bunch for skilled
trades, like electricians
and plumbers).</div>
<div>2) either choosing a
building zoned
appropriately, or not
informing the city of your
plans to have people live
there.</div>
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<div>On Fri, Mar 28,
2014 at 12:23 AM,
David Keenan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com" target="_blank">dkeenan44@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>I've worked for a
lot of startups, <span></span>but
what is a 'Startup
House'?
<div>
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<br>
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On Tuesday,
March 25, 2014,
Liberty Madison
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<div dir="ltr">Hey!
<div>Sudoers
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Anyone on
our list
skilled in
writing
business
plans?</div>
<div>Anyone
passionate
about Start up
projects?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A Former
Mayor and I
are working on
seeking
funding for a
new Startup
House .</div>
<div>He
suggested I
find a team
ASAP. </div>
<div>A person
who can write
a killer plan
while
conveying the
vision as well
as a person to
develop a
splash page
for investors.</div>
<div>And since
I know Sudo
has so many
talented folks
I thought I
would throw it
out here
first!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>If you
are interested
to be a part
of this FAST
paced project
or have ideas
please message
me. </div>
<div>Would
love to hack
this out with
a Sudoer </div>
<div>You will
be compensated
in flat fee or
equity once
funding is
secured </div>
<div>So If you
are passionate
about startups
and want to be
a part of a
cool, fun,
innovate
project that
helps people
grow their
startup/project/invention
please </div>
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