<div dir="ltr">I don't think anything is going to stop Sudo Room from giving critical commentary on things posted to the list. The real issue seems that we should have created a separate thread to talk about "start-up houses" that wasn't in direct response to a thread asking for a specific kind of help.<br>
</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:02 PM, GtwoG PublicOhOne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2g-public01@att.net" target="_blank">g2g-public01@att.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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    <br>
    <br>
    Pete's "keep the critical commentary to a minimum" = "don't worry,
    be happy."  Right, we should only criticise The Government, not
    entrepreneurs (especially never criticise Google or Facebook), and
    if we're really really lucky, some of us might hit the jackpot and
    make the bigtime bucks.  Right.<br>
    <br>
    When I was getting started, it was understood from widespread
    experience, "don't live with your coworkers, you'll drive each other
    crazy."  <br>
    <br>
    24/7 immersion?  No place to escape from work, no time to escape
    from work.<br>
    <br>
    Double rooms?  No privacy or solitude, even when you're sleeping.<br>
    <br>
    Manage a tech biz that's also a collective household?  "Item 3 at
    today's Board meeting is, Who is leaving dishes in the sink? (the
    kitchen camera wasn't working last week), and item 4 is nasty
    bathroom smells (the bathroom camera is working so we know who you
    are)."<br>
    <br>
    Relationship problems?  Expect them to become a Topic of
    Conversation with all of your coworkers.  (What relationship?,
    you're sleeping next to your boss.)  <br>
    <br>
    Meat-eaters, vegetarians, vegans?  Experience the thrill of
    "competition" over deciding kitchen policy.  If you lose, tough, you
    can eat somewhere other than home, if you don't mind being left out
    of important meetings over dinner.<br>
    <br>
    Misc. details of your personal life all subject to group process,
    and don't you dare complain because this all goes on your resume,
    and getting thrown out of the house is Very Bad for your career. <br>
    <br>
    It's Reality TV meets Social Darwinism, and that's a show you ought
    to think twice about starring in.<br>
    <br>
    For those who wish to try it, good luck, but remember that "luck"
    isn't a scientific theory or an engineering principle. <br>
    <br>
    And if you really want 24/7 immersion, join the military, and get
    your hands on some really awesome technology!  Who needs big screens
    and video games when you have a real tank?  <br>
    <br>
    -G. <br>
    <br>
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    <br>
    <div>On 14-03-28-Fri 12:41 PM, Pete Forsyth
      wrote:<br>
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        <div>Want to chime in with a general observation: this thread
          was started as an effort to find one or two people who ARE
          excited about the idea, and want to devote substantial energy
          to making it happen.<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>Instead there has been a lot of commentary about why it
          might NOT be the "idea that saves Oakland" or whatever.<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>I think it's important this list be a resource for people
          looking for partners to hack on stuff with. I am sure I'm like
          lots of you, 99% of the stuff that gets proposed is not going
          to motivate me to the point of rolling up my sleeves and
          getting to work. Some hacking projects are up your alley, some
          are not.<br>
          <br>
          Couldn't we try to keep the critical commentary to a minimum?
          So list members can find people to work with with more easily?<br>
          <br>
        </div>
        <div>-Pete<br>
        </div>
        <div>[[User:Peteforsyth]] on the wiki<br>
        </div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:25 PM,
          Andrew <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:andrew@roshambomedia.com" target="_blank">andrew@roshambomedia.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Did you like how in college you didn't have
              to worry about taking care of your self or putting any
              effort in to making friends and connections? Then come
              live at a start-up house, where money > REAL LIFE.<br>
            </div>
            <div class="gmail_extra">
              <div>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:21
                    PM, Phil Wolff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pwolff@gmail.com" target="_blank">pwolff@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                      <div dir="ltr">
                        <div>
                          <div>So here's the pitch: <br>
                            <br>
                            You want to come to Silicon Valley and be a
                            successful founder while you're still young,
                            hungry, and unencumbered? <br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          You'll need a place to stay, great network
                          connectivity, partners (this is a team sport),
                          connections, and mentors. Location matters:
                          you'll want ready access to neighborhood
                          conveniences; to San Francisco, Palo Alto, and
                          San Jose tech/finance hubs; to parking and
                          transit. <br>
                          <br>
                        </div>
                        If you're admitted to the Acme House: You'll
                        get...<br>
                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>
                              <ul>
                                <li>24x7 immersion in startup culture,
                                  just the way Facebook started. <br>
                                </li>
                                <li>Great bandwidth, food, whiteboard
                                  walls, projectors, infinite post-its,
                                  and everything you need to focus</li>
                                <li>Serious networking opportunities
                                  within the house, the better to find
                                  partners</li>
                                <li>Access to an angel network and other
                                  outside networking opportunities</li>
                                <li>Weekly check-ins with our
                                  incubator-vetted mentors <br>
                                </li>
                              </ul>
                              <p>We limit the time you can spend here.
                                We expect you to graduate to your own
                                space inside a year. <br>
                              </p>
                              <p>Here's the reality: </p>
                              <ul>
                                <li>This is more expensive than a simple
                                  real-estate play. You're writing
                                  checks for recruiting, project staff,
                                  common facilities, and housekeeping
                                  (frat house squalor) above and beyond
                                  rent. You're selling
                                  rent+incubatorship+camaraderie and
                                  have to make that case. Most houses or
                                  apartment buildings in Oakland need
                                  some expensive retrofitting to get
                                  high bandwidth and enough power and
                                  outlets. Fiber is relatively
                                  unavailable (although San Leandro has
                                  local fiber loops). Depending on where
                                  you locate, working things out with
                                  neighbors and City permits can be time
                                  consuming and costly. <br>
                                </li>
                                <li>The money comes <br>
                                </li>
                                <ul>
                                  <li>from tenants (charging a big
                                    premium to people relatively
                                    unwilling to pay it) or <br>
                                  </li>
                                  <li>from investors (who subsidize the
                                    house in exchange for equity or
                                    rights to equity) or <br>
                                  </li>
                                  <li>from collateral sources (producers
                                    of a reality TV show; sponsors who
                                    seek some marketing advantage). <br>
                                  </li>
                                </ul>
                                <li>You have to fight expensive churn:
                                  very high startup failure rates drive
                                  tenants out, there's drama from close
                                  quarters, and tenants move out if they
                                  find outside funding or co-founders
                                  living elsewhere in the Bay. Normal
                                  landlords seek long term tenants who
                                  pay on time without fuss. <br>
                                </li>
                              </ul>
                              <p>So it's tough. <br>
                              </p>
                              <p>It would really help if the house has a
                                tight focus. B2B Growth Hacks startups.
                                Neurochem tech startups.
                                Wearables/fashion/QS consumer startups.
                                Health/clinical startups. This assures a
                                more valuable space design (e.g. arduino
                                startups would need a good hacker space)
                                more synergy, better chances of
                                connections having value, and an easier
                                time attracting partners, investors,
                                media. <br>
                              </p>
                              <p>- Phil<br>
                              </p>
                            </div>
                          </div>
                        </div>
                      </div>
                      <div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all">
                        <div>
                          <div dir="ltr">
                            <div><br>
                              Phil Wolff<br>
                              <a><br>
                                pwolff@gmail.com <br>
                                <span>skype</span><span>:</span><span>evanwolf</span></a> 
                              <br>
                              <br>
                              <a href="tel:%2B1-510-343-5664" value="+15103435664" target="_blank">+1-510-343-5664</a> <br>
                              <br>
                              <div><a href="http://about.me/evanwolf" target="_blank">http://about.me/evanwolf</a> bio<br>
                              </div>
                              <a href="http://twitter.com/evanwolf" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/evanwolf</a> @</div>
                            <div><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/philwolff" target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/philwolff</a> <span>cv</span><br>
                            </div>
                            <div><a href="http://LetMyDataGo.org" target="_blank">http://LetMyDataGo.org</a> blog<br>
                            </div>
                            <div>
                              <div><a href="http://www.facebook.com/philwolff" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/philwolff</a> face<br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                            <div><br>
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                          <div>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 28,
                              2014 at 10:15 AM, Sonja Trauss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:sonja.trauss@gmail.com" target="_blank">sonja.trauss@gmail.com</a>></span>
                              wrote:<br>
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                                <div dir="ltr"> I don't understand
                                  start-up houses - why not rent a house
                                  with roomates? What is the value added
                                  of the start up house?<br>
                                </div>
                                <div>
                                  <div>
                                    <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                      <br>
                                      <div class="gmail_quote">
                                        On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 8:53 AM,
                                        Jehan Tremback <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jehan.tremback@gmail.com" target="_blank">jehan.tremback@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                        wrote:<br>
                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                          <div dir="ltr">A guy I work
                                            with started and ran one in
                                            SOMA for a year. I asked
                                            whether he would like to
                                            help on this, but he is sick
                                            of that kind of stuff.
                                            <div>
                                              <br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>They basically took
                                              over an empty building
                                              (legally), and renovated
                                              it into sort of a cross
                                              between a hostel and a
                                              community home for
                                              entrepreneurs (and
                                              wantrepreneurs) from out
                                              of town.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>They charged around
                                              $1000 a month for a dorm
                                              like situation where you
                                              would share a room. That's
                                              definitely a pretty high
                                              price, and may make people
                                              want to start yelling
                                              about rent-seeking
                                              capitalists, but the
                                              reality is that they
                                              barely turned a profit on
                                              that after a year, after
                                              legal and construction
                                              expenses.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>They basically spent
                                              the whole time fighting
                                              the SF zoning bureaucracy,
                                              and were really just
                                              delaying their inevitable
                                              expulsion from the
                                              building by the city.</div>
                                            <div><br>
                                            </div>
                                            <div>You could probably
                                              reduce expenses
                                              considerably by-</div>
                                            <div>1) using volunteer
                                              construction labor under
                                              some cooperative scheme
                                              (you'll still need to pay
                                              a bunch for skilled
                                              trades, like electricians
                                              and plumbers).</div>
                                            <div>2) either choosing a
                                              building zoned
                                              appropriately, or not
                                              informing the city of your
                                              plans to have people live
                                              there.</div>
                                          </div>
                                          <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                                            <br>
                                            <div class="gmail_quote">
                                              <div>
                                                <div>On Fri, Mar 28,
                                                  2014 at 12:23 AM,
                                                  David Keenan <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dkeenan44@gmail.com" target="_blank">dkeenan44@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                </div>
                                              </div>
                                              <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                <div>
                                                  <div>I've worked for a
                                                    lot of startups, <span></span>but
                                                    what is a 'Startup
                                                    House'?
                                                    <div>
                                                      <div>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <br>
                                                        On Tuesday,
                                                        March 25, 2014,
                                                        Liberty Madison
                                                        <<a href="mailto:libertymadison@gmail.com" target="_blank">libertymadison@gmail.com</a>>
                                                        wrote:<br>
                                                        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
                                                          <div dir="ltr">Hey!
                                                          <div>Sudoers
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>Anyone on
                                                          our list
                                                          skilled in
                                                          writing
                                                          business
                                                          plans?</div>
                                                          <div>Anyone
                                                          passionate
                                                          about Start up
                                                          projects?</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>A Former
                                                          Mayor and I
                                                          are working on
                                                          seeking
                                                          funding for a
                                                          new Startup
                                                          House .</div>
                                                          <div>He
                                                          suggested I
                                                          find a team
                                                          ASAP.  </div>
                                                          <div>A person
                                                          who can write
                                                          a killer plan
                                                          while
                                                          conveying the
                                                          vision as well
                                                          as a person to
                                                          develop a
                                                          splash page
                                                          for investors.</div>
                                                          <div>And since
                                                          I know Sudo
                                                          has so many
                                                          talented folks
                                                          I thought I
                                                          would throw it
                                                          out here
                                                          first!</div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>If you
                                                          are interested
                                                          to be a part
                                                          of this FAST
                                                          paced project
                                                          or have ideas
                                                          please message
                                                          me. </div>
                                                          <div>Would
                                                          love to hack
                                                          this out with
                                                          a Sudoer </div>
                                                          <div>You will
                                                          be compensated
                                                          in flat fee or
                                                          equity once
                                                          funding is
                                                          secured </div>
                                                          <div>So If you
                                                          are passionate
                                                          about startups
                                                          and want to be
                                                          a part of a
                                                          cool, fun,
                                                          innovate
                                                          project that
                                                          helps people
                                                          grow their
                                                          startup/project/invention
                                                          please </div>
                                                          <div>reach out<br clear="all">
                                                          <div><a>libertymadison@gmail.com</a></div>
                                                          <div><br>
                                                          <span><span title="Call
                                                          with Google
                                                          Voice"><a href="tel:415.937.3785" value="+14159373785" target="_blank">415.937.3785</a></span>
                                                          Text/Talk</span><br>
                                                          <a href="http://about.me/LibertyMadison" target="_blank">About.me/LibertyMadison</a> <br>
                                                          <div>
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                                                          <br>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div><br>
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                                                          </div>
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