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    Thanks for this input, Patrik and Phil,<br>
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    Seems like we need to decide if becoming a 501c3 is worth the
    several $100 investment and mental energy. <br>
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    Consider this an open poll to determine if a 501c3 is the wise path
    for sudo: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3">https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3</a><br>
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    does anyone have any leads or aspirations of sudoroom receiving
    large grants?<br>
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    does anyone have relationships ongoing or in the works that need tax
    receipts for donations that we have received or may potentially
    receive?<br>
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    Please log your responses here:
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3/">https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3/</a><br>
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    onward,<br>
    april<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/18/14 3:52 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer
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      <div dir="ltr">The Omni is using Food Not Bombs as their 501(c)3
        "fiscal sponsor". All the funds from their current IndieGogo
        campaign are being channeled through FNB, for example. FNB is
        providing this service for free. Most organizations do charge
        something, because they take on additional paperwork effort, and
        some legal liability on your behalf.
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        <div>Another option we've discussed in the past for Sudo is <a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://schoolfactory.org/">School
            Factory</a>, a non-profit whose sole purpose is to help
          other hackerspaces off the ground. They are more expensive -
          if I remember correctly, they charge 10% of all donations
          (*not* including membership fees!) - but in exchange you get a
          lot of handholding in terms of learning how to do all the
          paperwork etc, and even classes on leadership, community
          building etc. </div>
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        <div>When we talked to School Factory for Counter Culture Labs,
          they strongly advised against doing a voting-membership style
          organization though, because of the additional legal
          complications compared to having a simple board-run
          organization. </div>
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        <div>For CCL, we decided to do the 1023 (501(c)3 application
          form) ourselves. It takes a bit of effort, but it's not too
          bad once you know what is expected. Kinda like writing Bylaws,
          really. We managed to dig up 1023 forms from a number of
          different organization, including response letters from the
          IRS pointing out mistakes in their applications and asking for
          more info.</div>
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        <div>Patrik</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Phil
          Wolff <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:pwolff@gmail.com" target="_blank">pwolff@gmail.com</a>></span>
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            <div dir="ltr">Is there a friendly 501c3 org that would let
              us operate under their tax exempt status until we're
              incorporated and IRS-blessed? Six months to a year?<br>
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              I've seen this done properly elsewhere when new projects
              were starting and were part of an ecosystem of more
              established orgs. The umbrella org has the CPA and bank
              account for collecting grant money and other donations.
              The "client" organization paid a tiny fee to the parent
              for processing. The new org would describe themselves as
              "New Org, a project of Old Org, a 501(c)3 not-for-profit."<br>
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                      Phil Wolff<br>
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                        pwolff@gmail.com <br>
                        <span>skype</span><span>:</span><span>evanwolf</span></a> 
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                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="tel:%2B1-510-343-5664"
                        value="+15103435664" target="_blank">+1-510-343-5664</a> <br>
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                      <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://about.me/evanwolf"
                          target="_blank">http://about.me/evanwolf</a> bio<br>
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                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.linkedin.com/in/philwolff"
                        target="_blank">http://www.linkedin.com/in/philwolff</a> <span>cv</span><br>
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                    <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://LetMyDataGo.org" target="_blank">http://LetMyDataGo.org</a> blog<br>
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                          href="http://www.facebook.com/philwolff"
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                  <div class="h5">On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM,
                    Maximilian Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                <div>1) Do we even really need 501c3?
                                  501c3 is a means to an end. The
                                  benefit is that large institutions
                                  wont donate or grant to us without it.
                                  The downside is that it will cost
                                  several hundred dollars and is a PITA
                                  from a effort point of view. Smaller
                                  institutions can donate to us and get
                                  their donations tax exempted as long
                                  as they do, (and they can) argue that
                                  we are in spirit a non-profit. So we
                                  should only get 501c3, if we think
                                  other umbrellas aren't easier, and we
                                  see big donations coming in later.<br>
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                                <div>1a) we need to determine the
                                  probability of getting such a donation
                                  from a large instituion in the next
                                  year<br>
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                                2) Incorporating. It's not enough to
                                just file papers because in a pinch if
                                we do not act and do all our board
                                meeting officiating properly we could be
                                dismissed as a farce of a incorporation.<br>
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                              3) changing the articles of incorporation
                              has to happen in sacramento and is
                              expensive and slow. it's easier to edit
                              the by laws if possible.<br>
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                            4) we need to make records whenever the
                            board of directors issues dirctives, however
                            small.<br>
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                          5) if we ever became so attached to the omni
                          that it would break sudo spiritually or
                          financially to move out then we need to get a
                          formal contract with omni.<br>
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                                    <div>6) the IRS is allergic to
                                      nonprofits that use certain words
                                      like "tea party" and surprisingly
                                      "open source" because they've been
                                      burned by those types before.<br>
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                                    <div>7) treasurer does not have
                                      heightened financially
                                      responsibility than anyone else on
                                      the board.<br>
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                                              <div>Make a great day,<br>
                                                Max Klein ‽ <a
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