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Thanks for this input, Patrik and Phil,<br>
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Seems like we need to decide if becoming a 501c3 is worth the
several $100 investment and mental energy. <br>
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Consider this an open poll to determine if a 501c3 is the wise path
for sudo: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3">https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3</a><br>
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does anyone have any leads or aspirations of sudoroom receiving
large grants?<br>
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does anyone have relationships ongoing or in the works that need tax
receipts for donations that we have received or may potentially
receive?<br>
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Please log your responses here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3/">https://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/sudo501c3/</a><br>
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onward,<br>
april<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/18/14 3:52 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer
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<div dir="ltr">The Omni is using Food Not Bombs as their 501(c)3
"fiscal sponsor". All the funds from their current IndieGogo
campaign are being channeled through FNB, for example. FNB is
providing this service for free. Most organizations do charge
something, because they take on additional paperwork effort, and
some legal liability on your behalf.
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<div>Another option we've discussed in the past for Sudo is <a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="https://schoolfactory.org/">School
Factory</a>, a non-profit whose sole purpose is to help
other hackerspaces off the ground. They are more expensive -
if I remember correctly, they charge 10% of all donations
(*not* including membership fees!) - but in exchange you get a
lot of handholding in terms of learning how to do all the
paperwork etc, and even classes on leadership, community
building etc. </div>
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<div>When we talked to School Factory for Counter Culture Labs,
they strongly advised against doing a voting-membership style
organization though, because of the additional legal
complications compared to having a simple board-run
organization. </div>
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<div>For CCL, we decided to do the 1023 (501(c)3 application
form) ourselves. It takes a bit of effort, but it's not too
bad once you know what is expected. Kinda like writing Bylaws,
really. We managed to dig up 1023 forms from a number of
different organization, including response letters from the
IRS pointing out mistakes in their applications and asking for
more info.</div>
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<div>Patrik</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 18, 2014 at 3:29 PM, Phil
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<div dir="ltr">Is there a friendly 501c3 org that would let
us operate under their tax exempt status until we're
incorporated and IRS-blessed? Six months to a year?<br>
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I've seen this done properly elsewhere when new projects
were starting and were part of an ecosystem of more
established orgs. The umbrella org has the CPA and bank
account for collecting grant money and other donations.
The "client" organization paid a tiny fee to the parent
for processing. The new org would describe themselves as
"New Org, a project of Old Org, a 501(c)3 not-for-profit."<br>
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<div class="h5">On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:00 PM,
Maximilian Klein <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>1) Do we even really need 501c3?
501c3 is a means to an end. The
benefit is that large institutions
wont donate or grant to us without it.
The downside is that it will cost
several hundred dollars and is a PITA
from a effort point of view. Smaller
institutions can donate to us and get
their donations tax exempted as long
as they do, (and they can) argue that
we are in spirit a non-profit. So we
should only get 501c3, if we think
other umbrellas aren't easier, and we
see big donations coming in later.<br>
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<div>1a) we need to determine the
probability of getting such a donation
from a large instituion in the next
year<br>
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2) Incorporating. It's not enough to
just file papers because in a pinch if
we do not act and do all our board
meeting officiating properly we could be
dismissed as a farce of a incorporation.<br>
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3) changing the articles of incorporation
has to happen in sacramento and is
expensive and slow. it's easier to edit
the by laws if possible.<br>
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4) we need to make records whenever the
board of directors issues dirctives, however
small.<br>
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5) if we ever became so attached to the omni
that it would break sudo spiritually or
financially to move out then we need to get a
formal contract with omni.<br>
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<div>6) the IRS is allergic to
nonprofits that use certain words
like "tea party" and surprisingly
"open source" because they've been
burned by those types before.<br>
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<div>7) treasurer does not have
heightened financially
responsibility than anyone else on
the board.<br>
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<div>Make a great day,<br>
Max Klein ‽ <a
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