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On Jan 11, 2015 1:49 PM, "Ryan" <<a href="mailto:yandoryn@gmail.com">yandoryn@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> A point person, on the other hand, is the person you have to go to in order to get involved at all. How do I get involved? *points at person*</p>
<p dir="ltr">Actually, I think "point man" presumably comes from military terminology: it's the soldier who is "on point" in a patrol, and who gets to scout out the best route, but who also gets shot at first if things go wrong. Perhaps not the best imagery we want to adopt...</p>
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> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com">patrikd@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Stephen Novotny <<a href="mailto:novotny.stephen@gmail.com">novotny.stephen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>> To add to discussion: I believe one of the reason some of us began to discuss changing "bottom-liner" is because it promotes arresting a single person with all of the responsibility, rather than collectivizing responsibility toward building community.<br>
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>> Meh - I think "point person" conveys exactly the same meaning to me. I had never heard of the term "bottom-liner" before, so to my ear this just seems like a pointless exercise in semantics. <br>
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>> In the end, the mechanism is still that we appoint an individual to carry somewhat more responsibility for an event, because otherwise things will inevitably fall through the cracks. You can call them a bottom-liner, a facilitator, a coordinator, a point person or whatever you want. Does it suggest an unequal division of labor? Sure it does, but that just reflects reality. We can strive for a more equal distribution, but in my opinion just changing the name is not going to change the fact that some people put in more effort than others, or that in some cases it is actually more efficient for one person to take charge of certain details.<br>
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>> What's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet...<br>
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>>> On Jan 11, 2015 10:38 AM, "lee worden" <<a href="mailto:wonder@riseup.net">wonder@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br>
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>>>> "point person"?<br>
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>>>> On 01/11/2015 10:27 AM, joseph liesner wrote:<br>
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>>>>> overseer; host; ITGT (if Then go To)<br>
>>>>> joe<br>
>>>>> On Jan 11, 2015, at 10:13 AM, niki wrote:<br>
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>>>>>> Hey all,<br>
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>>>>>> I want to honor the request from some Omni community members that we replace the word bottom-liner. <br>
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>>>>>> Can we collect a list of alternatives and mutually agree to attempt to replace this phrase / to lovingly and compassionately correct one another if and when we slip up?<br>
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>>>>>> As little as it may seem, this will require a cultural shift for a lot of us that I'm sure we're all willing to make, but it'll likely take a bit of time before it collectively takes root.<br>
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>>>>>> It would be great if those who take particular issue with this phrase could put forth their suggestions.<br>
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>>>>>> I will collect suggestions and make a poll both online and in the real world.<br>
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>>>>>> Here are some suggestions of mine:<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> * steward<br>
>>>>>> * curator<br>
>>>>>> * representative<br>
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>>>>>> Love,<br>
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