<div dir="ltr">I actually think "point person" suggests a <i>more</i> unequal division of labor than "bottom-liner."<div><br></div><div>A bottom-liner, in my mind, means that even <i>if</i> no one else shows up to help (which can happen!), nothing's going to "leak." They've covered the bottom line. But in and of itself, that doesn't imply that no one else can't be involved.</div><div><br></div><div>A point person, on the other hand, is the person you have to go to in order to get involved at all. How do I get involved? *points at person*</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:43 PM, Patrik D'haeseleer <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrikd@gmail.com" target="_blank">patrikd@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Stephen Novotny <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:novotny.stephen@gmail.com" target="_blank">novotny.stephen@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">To add to discussion: I believe one of the reason some of us began to discuss changing "bottom-liner" is because it promotes arresting a single person with all of the responsibility, rather than collectivizing responsibility toward building community.</p></blockquote></span><div>Meh - I think "point person" conveys exactly the same meaning to me. I had never heard of the term "bottom-liner" before, so to my ear this just seems like a pointless exercise in semantics. </div><div><br></div><div>In the end, the mechanism is still that we appoint an individual to carry somewhat more responsibility for an event, because otherwise things will inevitably fall through the cracks. You can call them a bottom-liner, a facilitator, a coordinator, a point person or whatever you want. Does it suggest an unequal division of labor? Sure it does, but that just reflects reality. We can strive for a more equal distribution, but in my opinion just changing the name is not going to change the fact that some people put in more effort than others, or that in some cases it is actually more efficient for one person to take charge of certain details.</div><br>What's in a name? that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet...</div><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br><div>Patrik</div></font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
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<div dir="ltr">Hey all,
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<div>I want to honor the request from some Omni
community members that we replace the word
bottom-liner. </div>
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<div>Can we collect a list of alternatives and mutually
agree to attempt to replace this phrase / to lovingly
and compassionately correct one another if and when we
slip up?</div>
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<div>As little as it may seem, this will require a
cultural shift for a lot of us that I'm sure we're all
willing to make, but it'll likely take a bit of time
before it collectively takes root.</div>
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<div>It would be great if those who take particular
issue with this phrase could put forth their
suggestions.</div>
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<div>I will collect suggestions and make a poll both
online and in the real world.</div>
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<div>Here are some suggestions of mine:</div>
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<div>* steward</div>
<div>* curator</div>
<div>* representative</div>
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<div>Love,</div>
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