<div dir="ltr">On Tue, Jan 13, 2015 at 9:05 AM, Lesley Bell <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zvezdalune@gmail.com" target="_blank">zvezdalune@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">It just so happens that Tom L. began such a discussion that lasted the entire ride back to Hackistan/Stanza. Here's the link to his blog on the subject of hover peeing: <a href="http://thomaslevine.com/!/hovering-cycle/" target="_blank">http://thomaslevine.com/!/hovering-cycle/</a></p></blockquote><div>Nice article!<br><br></div><div>A friend of mine told me he switched to sitting when his stay-at-home-mom wife gave him an ultimatum: either sit to pee, or take on the toilet cleaning chores! Hard to argue with that...<br></div><div><br></div><div>Not being a hoverer (I typically sit to pee, unless I'm in a real hurry), would replacing some of the old toilet seats with new seats encourage more people to sit rather than hover or stand? <br><br></div><div>I generally like to leave the toilet seat cleaner than when I found it. So if it's dirty I'll take some time to wipe off the seat with toilet paper, and then use either a seat cover or a few sheets of toilet paper to sit on (using a seat cover without first drying the seat is of course entirely pointless). But wiping off a nice new plastic seat is obviously far easier than an old wooden seat with cracked paint. Are there any seats at the Omni that are in particularly bad shape?<br><br></div><div>The article above mentions that 54% of women hover when urinating in public toilets. Other than cleaner seats, is there some other way we can make the bathrooms feel more like you're at home, in a way that would encourage people to sit rather than hover?<br><br></div><div>Patrik<br></div><div><br><br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<p dir="ltr">It's actually not such a gendered thing. Women can pee standing up as well, and many do. It's actually much neater than hover peeing, which is a blight on toilets everywhere. However, it is a power best used outdoors. The toilets at the Omni are made for sitting, and people of all genders can do so. I too pledge not to stand or hover. </p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Jan 12, 2015 11:55 PM, "Ed Biow" <<a href="mailto:biow@riseup.net" target="_blank">biow@riseup.net</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5">
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Good idea M<sup>6</sup>, and Einstein & I will start dropping
trou, but I find I <u>can</u> actually can get almost of all my
Goldwater in the receptacle despite my underwhelming endowment, but
only if I kneel in someone else's splatter. Luckily, I always wear
shorts, so its easy to wipe off my knees. My pal David Rovics wrote
a song apropos of this issue, Stand Up For Your Rights But Sit Down
To Piss: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKDSMPzneE" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKDSMPzneE</a><br>
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BTW, what's the story on the urinals in the head in the hallway to
the sudoroom? One of them was operational, but I notice they are
all cordoned off now. Do we need funds to fix them or are they
destined for the knackers?<br>
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From: Maximilian Klein <a href="mailto:isalix@gmail.com" target="_blank"><isalix@gmail.com></a>
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Subject: [sudo-discuss] I'm going to pee sitting down at the omni: A
call for others to join.
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Please excuse the unusual nature of this email and take me seriously for a
moment.
I have started the practice of sitting down to pee at the Omni, which is
not something I do anywhere else in my life. Before I continue, you may
well be wondering if I am assuming that my readership are the owners of
"hoses" as Arnas called them . "No" is the answer, but of course if you
already urinate while sitting then perhaps this call to action is less
germane.
Here is my reasoning:
1. I Care about bathroom cleanliness at the Omni.
2. After close inspection, and many trials, even with the utmost care I
cannot urinate standing up in a way that gets all my urine securely in the
bowl without splashing a very small amount.
3. In my experiments peeing sitting down is almost fail-safe at getting all
my urine in the toilet bowl.
4. I have the option to sit down to pee.
Since there are two options, and one is superior from a cleanliness point
of view - albeit slightly more labour intensive - and since cleaning will
be done in solidarity by one of our members; I therefore am pledging to sit
down to pee at the Omni.
I hope you will take this position</pre></blockquote>
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